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Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Ankit Kumar 001, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Ofcourse you are talking in Exchange rate $ terms, which each country artificially maintains. India is already a $8.7 trillion economy in PPP terms in 2016 - true economy scale indicator.
    http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Not necessary that it will be limited to Saab tech. If ToT doesn't happen, then the deal won't happen. As told by the govt, the deal will look at cost and ToT as the primary points of interest to determine L1. So it is up to Saab to convince its partners.

    No partner in their right mind will lose out on a potential 200 aircraft business. They won't know when they will get such a chance ever again in the future.

    I'm not worried about this Saab and ToT business. Most of the critical tech is European and we have a good deal going with GE for LCA, so it's only an expansion for their business.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Yes. It is unclear. The govt can quickly change their mind if something new comes up.

    But if MII fails, then the 72 aircraft order could end up with 108 in total.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Stuff like that is hit or miss. No point discussing stuff with dollars attached to it.

    Military expenditure in rupees is the best anyway.
     
  5. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Thats why i said we are already $8.7 trillion economy in 2016 in true sense (not artifical exchange rate) in PPP terms. No point talking we be $8 trillion in 2032 when we already are.
    And avg @7% growth till 2026 - be $17 trillion.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You're right, but the cost of a modern front line fighter is more than doubling every 30 years !
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Just compare what a Mig 23 (to not speak of Mig 21) can do and what a Gripen E will do.
    More situation awareness, more radar range, more weapons range, swing role capacity, most effective electronic support (with a capacity of spying)....
     
  8. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Regardless of the capability of the aircraft, 1 aircraft can only perform 1 sortie.

    Best case, during war, we need 55 squadrons if our aircraft are highly advanced compared to the enemy. If we are on par when it comes to technology, we need 64 squadrons. We need 30-40 squadrons for NE India and 20-25 for the rest of India.

    If the Chinese move 1200 fighters to the border and conduct only 2 sorties a day, that's 2400 sorties in total. If we use 600 aircraft to challenge them, we will need to conduct 4 sorties a day to equalize with them. Do you see the problem?

    600 aircraft is 33 squadrons. This is our total force today. We will have to challenge 1200+ Chinese aircraft and 350 Pakistani aircraft in total in case we enter a two front war. Can you tell me how we can challenge 1500+ aircraft if we have only 750 aircraft spread over two fronts? In fact, we estimate the Chinese will have 2500 4th, 4.5th and 5th gen aircraft by 2030. And who knows how many UCAVs.

    That's why IAF needs 1000-1200 aircraft, that's 55-64 squadrons. This is the reason why I believe we will have both Rafale and Gripen MII and we will have 150-200 jets of each type along with LCA. That will give us 450-600 aircraft extra, apart from 270 MKI. If we are lucky we will have 5 squadrons of FGFA and of course the old aircraft, M-2000 and Jaguar. This will give us 52+ squadrons.

    With IN's 10 squadrons, we will have 62+.
     
  9. LonewolfSandeep

    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Countries are like People - some happy in little, some dream & demand more.
    A less capable plane may capture bigger market share coz of sheer tenacity & drive (could be gripen in future, america has always been that way past/future), while best present system may fizzle out at few % as thats enough for them, as they never dreamt big & slowly slided away from current tech advantage position (will in future too retain tech edge over competitors, or they close gap, be anyone guess).
     
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    Dagger 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Pity they release a useless staatistic of number of parts. Whats the indigenisation % by value? Do you have any info on that?
     
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    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    In 50s there was USSR, rather than Russia, China was not the Industrial Giant back then, there was no Global Terrorism, there was no BVR, Nobody talks of AESA, there was no Gripen to be Marketed nor any F16, No AWAAC, UAV, No Satellites, no Random Radio was also Manufactured.

    Pls explain Why Decided to reduced it's Mighty Airforce of 3500 com4prises of MIG 19s to much smaller force, or the Army Strength.


    BTW did you fail to read the Word Combat before UAV.
     
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    For LCA, the content by value is 59.7%
    For Su-30mki,it has 51 per cent indigenous content by value
    For Do-228, it has 61% content by value
    For ALH, It has ~62% content by value.

    Note: The foreign/imported content use is gradually decreasing.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Sadly true. Indigenisation has no merit, when the platform or the specific part is not designed or developed in India. 75% for MKI only means, that we produce that many parts in India, but of these much are licence produced foreign parts as well. The parts that we could replace by Indian counterparts are actually low and with critical weapon developments failing, we might need to order more foreign weapons to bridge the gap.
     
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    All irrelevant. Nothing's changed when it comes to squadron numbers.

    UCAV = Combat UAV.
     
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    My lord can you give some estimated cost of one unit from that several dozen of Squadron.
     
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