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  1. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Ministry of Defence
    29-September, 2017 15:03 IST
    85th Air Force Day: Air Display

    The Indian Air Force proudly celebrates its 85TH anniversary on 08 Oct 2017. A scintillating air display by various aircraft will be the hallmark of the Air Force Day Parade cum Investiture Ceremony at Air Force Station Hindan (Ghaziabad). Rehearsals for the air display will commence from 01st October 2017 (Sunday). The general area over which aircraft will be flying at low levels are Wazirpur bridge – Karwalnagar – Afjalpur - Hindan, Shamli – Jiwana – Chandinagar – Hindan, Hapur – Philkua – Ghaziabad – Hindan.




    BIRDS POSE A VERY SERIOUS THREAT TO FLYING AIR CRAFT, SPECIALLY AT LOW LEVELS. EATABLES THROWN OUT IN THE OPEN ATTRACT BIRDS. TO ENSURE SAFETY OF THE AIRCRAFT, PILOTS AND PEOPLE ON GROUND, THE INDIAN AIR FORCE REQUESTS ALL CITIZENS OF DELHI, GHAZIABAD AND ITS NEIGHBOURHOOD NOT TO THROW EATABLES AND GARBAGE IN OPEN. ALSO, IF THEY FIND ANY CARCASSES/DEAD ANIMALS LYING OUT IN OPEN, THEY MUST REPORT TO THE NEAREST AIR FORCE UNIT/POLICE STATION TO ARRANGE FOR ITS DISPOSAL. ALSO PLEASE CALL/SMS TO OFFICER INCHARGE BIRD HAZARD COMBAT TEAM (BHCT) ON CELL NO. 8376049624



    The air display will commence with flag bearing sky divers of famous AKASH GANGA Team dropping out of AN-32 aircraft in their colourful canopies, at 0800 hours.

    The flypast would include the vintage aircraft, modern transport aircraft and frontline fighter aircraft. The ceremony will conclude at 1052 hours with a scintillating aerobatic display.

    Note: Kindly publish message in the box to help ensure a ‘safe’ FLYING ENVIRONMENT.
     
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  2. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Interesting, thx for sharing!

    So as for CLGM and LAHAT, we made our own version of SPICE 250 (PSK was right about that), possibly with a propulsion? For some reason it seems to be launched from French Rafaut AUF2 twin launchers as it seems, but that confirms earlier reports too.

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    Can you add the source please, are there any infos on specs and guidance capabilities?

    @Agent_47
    This will be interesting for you as well.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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  6. lca-fan

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    IAF to conduct full War drill on Agra-Lucknow Express on October 24
    Thursday, October 12, 2017 By: News Nation Source Link: CLICK HERE
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    Indian Air Force is all set to carry out full war drill on Agra-Lucknow Expressway at Bangarmau in Uttar Pradesh on October 24.

    Sources close to News Nation in the Uttar Pradesh government and Indian Air Force confirmed the development.

    According to plans, more than 20 aircrafts and cargo planes of the Indian Air Force will participate in the war drill on the expressway.

    Sources told our reporter that Sukhoi, Tejas, Mikoyan MiG-29, Dassault Mirage 2000, Jaguar, MiG-27ML, MiG-21, Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, Ilyushin Il-76MD and Lockheed C-130J Super Hercules will take part in the drill.

    According to a senior Indian Air Force, official Hercules will be a major attraction of the Indian Air Force drill as it is one of the largest carrier vehicles.

    The official added all the planes will take off and land on the Expressway.

    According to an Uttar Pradesh administrative official stationed at Bangarmau told News Nation that preparations for the drill have begun.

    “We have received a list of requirements from the Indian Air Force. We are accordingly preparing,” added the administrative officer.

    “Such drills are must during peace days. We have to identify the places where are jets can land and take off during wartime if enemy manages to destroy are major A-strips,” said Maj Gen KV S Lalotra (Retd) who has held important command and staff positions in the Indian Army. Maj Gen Lalotra commanded the strategic 17 Mtn Division along the Indo-China bprder at Sikkim and was the ADG Territorial Army.

    The Agra-Lucknow Expressway is 302-km six-lane Expressway which can be expanded to 8-lane. The expressway starts from Agra to reach Lucknow via Firozabad, Mainpuri, Etawah, Oraia, Kannauj, Hardoi,Kanpur Nagar and Unnao.

    The 302 kilometer-long expressway was completed in a record time of 22 months at the cost of Rs 13,200 crore.

    Six fighter jets of the Indian Air Force participated at the opening ceremony of last year in November at Unnao, around 50 km from Lucknow.

    Last year in the month of May, in a first for military aviation in the country, IAF successfully landed a French Dassault Mirage-2000 fighter jet on the Yamuna Expressway near Raya village, Mathura, as a part of elaborate trials to see how many other highways can be used for war-like emergencies.
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/I...-on-Agra-Lucknow-Express-on-October-24-404065
     
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    Full list of IAF planes to touch down on Lucknow-Agra Expressway


    The drill will be conducted by the IAF in collaboration with the Uttar Pradesh Government.

    New Delhi: A number of aircrafts will land on the Lucknow-Agra Expressway next Tuesday as part of an operational exercise conducted by the Indian Air Force (IAF), according to Defence Ministry officials.

    The drill - conducted by the IAF in collaboration with the Uttar Pradesh Government - will see participation from a C130 with Garud commnados for assault landing as well as three Jaguars, six Mirages (in two batches of three each), six SU 30s (in two batches of three each) in touch down and take off operation. The C130 will once again touch down to complete the operation.

    According to officials of the Road and Transport Ministry, 12 highways have been cleared for similar landing operations, with three of those connecting Maoist-affected areas in Odisha, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh, which also witness vagaries of nature like floods and cyclones almost every year.

    These strips would be used in case of emergencies such as disaster relief, humanitarian assistance, as well as in situations of war or conflict.

    Previously, a Mirage-2000 fighter plane of the IAF had touched down on the Yamuna Expressway as a display of capability to land fighter jets on highways - on May 1 of 2016.
    http://zeenews.india.com/india/full...-down-on-lucknow-agra-expressway-2051253.html
     
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  8. Zarvan

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    by Darpan Sanjay Agarwal

    BACKGROUND

    HAL HF-24 Marut was the first indigenous subsonic twin engine aircraft designed (by German designer Kurt Tank) and developed in India. It was fighter-bomber aircraft in the 1960s. It was the first Asian jet to go into production outside of USSR. A total 147 of the MARUT were produced which saw active role during 1971 war. Later, in the 1980s due to sanctions imposed because after the Pokhran atomic tests the aircraft faced several shortages of spare parts and was finally retired. The jet was phased out in 1990s.

    PROBLEMS
    IAF is in dire need of upgrade. It is struggling in almost every field a air force should excel for a country becoming a super power.
    • It does not have a required number of squadron (down to 33) to keep with the threat emerging from east and west.
    • Fifth generation aircraft is nowhere to be seen. (AMCA and FGFA both are stalled)
    • It does not long range bombers.(negotiating for 4 Tuplov from Russia)
    • Its scavenging to keep the old fleet running (purchasing 36 retired jaguars to keep its fleet operational)
    • It does not enough air refueling tankers
    • It does not have required AEW&Cs strength

    REASONING
    The reasons why the prodigal son of HAL needs to return is discussed below point by point.

    1. ROLE
    Marut was designed as interceptor aircraft but was also capable of carrying substantial weight (4000lbs) of bombs on its metal airframe. Marut had an excellent safety record as compared to the other jets in IAF possession at that time.

    EDITOR'S NOTE: Though the proposal by the author may sound rather radical, it offers a certain degree of sensibility and feasibility in its view. It offers a tremendous opportunity for the government to rapidly and at drastically lower cost upgrade the depleted force levels of the Indian Air Force which is currently handicapped to fight a two-front war:

    IAF is down to 33 squadrons and the number is going to go down in coming decade since Migs are getting phased out. IAF is losing edge in Asia.

    Now, Marut can be brought back obviously with new airframe and new avionics. Marut fits perfectly in Ground support/ Bomber aircraft role for the IAF. As IAF does not have long range bombers, Marut can be easily put in role of a Medium range bomber. Even though Marut cannot cover whole of china, it will have the ability to cover almost all of Pakistan from the forward bases of IAF in Rajasthan and Punjab.

    A newer airframe of composite material similar to the one used in Tejas will help the weight to reduce and will help to carry more payload. The advantage of having two engines instead of one will also help in increased range. It also increases the chance of survival.
    The aircraft can be dedicated to the infantry support and destruction of key enemy installations (forward bases, dams etc).

    2. HELPING HAL-TEJAS REALISE ITS TRUE ROLE

    Tejas was designed to replace Mig-21 as the interceptor for the IAF in the first place. The whole idea of portraying it as a multi role aircraft has doomed it. Putting bombs on the light combat aircraft has made it to lose it maneuverability.

    IAF should realize it is the perfect and viable solution for the replacements for its interceptor requirement. Tejas also has good record of safety as not a single major crash has occurred in 16 years of testing (2001-present).

    Bringing back Marut in the bomber/ground support will not only help IAF get back on its feet but will also take extra load off the Tejas back. It will not help IAF but will also help Tejas to survive and grow.

    3. TRULY INDIGENOUS

    As the first indigenous fighter of IAF, HAL and IAF both have the opportunity to make it truly indigenous. With the development of the Tejas platform our scientists have gained considerable knowledge and experience. They can quickly develop a superior airframe, incorporate better power plant, avionics and also install a smart weapons package.

    AIRFRAME – Believe it or not but Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is pretty good at its job. The agency designs the aircraft airframe such as what should be the air intake size and how the aircrafts aerofoil structure and etc. ADA has also completed design of the AMCA, so I would like to say that designing a twin engine 4++ generation airframe won’t be a bigger task for ADA. In fact they can make it 4.5 g since gaining expertise after completion of AMCA.

    POWER PLANT – Gas Turbine Research and Establishment (GTRE) has developed the Kaveri engine (81kn). In 2016 Snecma the engine supplier for the Rafale, reviewed the engine's characteristics and it claimed to the conclusion that the engine was already 70% ready and with just 18 months of further development the engine will be ready for operational use. Tejas missed out on indigenous engine and it too late to incorporate new engine as the airframe would require modifications. Marut is the best test bed for this opportunity. Indigenous engine would put India and IAF into a different league.

    AVIONICS – Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) is responsible for making avionics for the IAF fleet. It can make Marut a truly next generation aircraft. India’s indigenous AESA UTTAM has already cleared ground tracking tests successfully. The DARIN-III upgrade meant for the Jaguar fleet can also be incorporated in Marut. Electronic warfare suite is also being developed in India. Even if not whole package, most of the requirement can be sourced from within the country.

    WEAPONS PACKAGE – DRDO over the years have developed some pretty good indigenous weapons system. Since it a bomber aircraft, the weapons which Marut will carry should also be indigenous. As in time of emergency we can’t depend on other nations to provide us weapons. DRDO has successfully tested many types of bombs carrying different type of payload. The recent addition of successful SAAW (Smart Anti-Airfield Weapon) has made India proud. It has operational range of 100 kms which means it can target most of Pakistan without even entering its air space. It also gives advantage of striking key places in China. A Marut squadron placed in Andaman and Nicobar Islands will provide more firepower to the strategic command present there.

    CONCLUSION
    I understand that thinking of designing a 4.5++ generation aircraft is a step backward, while every other developed nation is on 5th and 6th generation fighter program. By any reasonable yardstick, we can assume that this is the best possible solution for the IAF right now. IAF has still not decided which single engine aircraft it should purchase (F-16 V/s Gripen).

    I totally support AMCA but it is far from complete. It will take years before it can go into mass production. Marut can be an intermediate option for HAL to work on Twin Engine aircraft.

    If we summaries all the aforementioned observations we can logically bring back the Marut which will help IAF in the following ways:
    • Increase the number of squadron and not just in any manner but in role defined goal driven manner.
    • Help Tejas to grow and survive
    • Create a much better aerospace eco-system
    • Increased export opportunity as not everyone can afford a 5th gen aircraft. Both Tejas and Marut in their defined role will provide more opportunity
    • A true indigenous product.
    Views expressed are of the author and do not necessarily reflect the views of IDN. IDN does not assume any responsibility or liability for the same


    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/10/idn-take-hf-24-marut-why-prodigal-son.html
     
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    It is a good thought exercise to see what a modernized Marut with F125 engines, El/m 2052, glass cockpit, improved airframe, integrated EW etc etc could do. Probably same as Darin III which wouldn't be bad IMO. Survivable against Pakistan for sure.
     
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    yea but everything depends on HAL and drdo, if they are against LSA, then nobody can help lsa.
     
  12. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    LSA, MSA are same as comic characters like Shaktimaan

    They do not exist in reality and neither will they.

    HAL can continue with its failed experiments like IJT-36 Sitara, Tejas etc
     
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    why no tejas in this touchdown
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    At least some one is trying... It is easy to criticize anything... U have to just type
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Trying?

    Trying to do what?

    Derail armed forces modernisation?

    Just talk of false hopes of LSA, MSA and other jokes deviate focus from realistic procurement of F-16/Gripen.

    HAL is an enemy of the state.

    They won't deliver Tejas on order since past 14 years nor will they allow SE fighter procurement via their army of lobbyists

    IAF and India are losers.

    HAL bureaucrats are winners
     

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