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Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Ankit Kumar 001, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Nice, 30 SSK is more than enough for the IN as realistically SSKs will only have utility in the West against the pakistani. But India really needs to start ramping up its SSN plans because the East is totally exposed and as a means of credible power projection SSNs have no equal. India is already about 10 years behind the curve in this regard with PLA(N) SSN now venturing into India's backyard, India won't be able to respond for at least another decade.


    + any real news on Project 76? To deliver 12-15 boats in the time period (by 2030-5) work is going to have to start very soon.


    ++ Once again, P-75(I) is a total waste of money, just give the orders +3 to MDL for upgraded Scorpenes with AIP and Bhrahmos launch capability.
     
  2. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    IN is now looking to have permanent foot print in SCS and Asia-Pacific region.
     
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  3. Blackjay

    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Will appreciate a short summary of what's written in article.
     
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  4. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I was hoping that this would be the eventual goal, but how long will it take to develop the capabilities (enough submarines, aircraft carriers, ASW helis, capable carrier based fighters like Rafales etc)?
     
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  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    We have only very recently started taking our interests in Mauritius and Seychelles[And surrounding areas ] more seriously.

    We have in works raising up a Naval Squadron [Maybe a couple of Frigates and a couple of OPVs ] along with support units and a Maritime Patrol Aircraft Detachment for there...

    And this goes without saying, underwater assets are also required...

    12 P75 and 12 P75I will be a minimum SSK fleet.
     
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    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    But what IS this indigenous SSK? Is there even such a project? Who's designing it?
     
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  7. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The submarine program has gone for a toss.

    The earlier plan was 12 foreign SSKs and 12 indigenous SSKs.

    Now the plan is 12 foreign SSKs, 6 indigenous SSNs and the remaining 6 SSKs may be shared between the two foreign SSKs, like 3 Scorpenes and 3 'whatever-wins-the-new-tender'.

    Nothing right now. Indigenous SSKs may come in after the 2030 plan.
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    So what is the total goal by the year 2030, 24 conventional and 6 nuclear for a total of 30? If the idea is to expand the IN's footprint, that sounds like a pretty small number, especially in terms of nuclear subs (and I'm guessing that it will take nothing short of nuclear subs to deter/confront China now, both in the IOR and the SCS).

    Also, does anyone know when the deals for ASW helis/Naval multirole choppers & Naval MMRCA will happen now?
     
  9. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    18 SSKs, 6 SSNs and 4 SSBNs by 2030.

    The numbers are more than enough if we want to operate in IOR and SCS.
     
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    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Enough to dominate the IOR and pose a serious challenge to China in the SCS? Isn't Pakistan acquiring like 8 submarines soon? Or are they nothing to be worried about?

    Also, China seems to be planning a fleet of at least 70 subs by 2030, and they just built a huge facility to churn out SSN's (which can also build SSBN's).
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The Pakistanis are nothing to be worried about. Their subs are not as good. They have only been getting Chinese export grade tech.

    And the Chinese have to contend with US, Japan, Australia, S Korea etc. Even Russia. We only have to deal with Pakistan and China. Plus most of the Chinese subs are old, so they are in the same boat as we are.
     
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  12. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    So a 90s built kilo/209 of IN is as old as 2000s and later built submarines of PLAN ?

    13/13 submarines of IN are atleast 17 years old.

    Compare this to PLAN , only 18/55 SSKs are older than our youngest SSK now.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    It doesn't seem all good on paper, but in reality the Chinese subs have lower life.

    They have more newer Type 039A than we do subs in total, which is bad for us today.

    But you have to consider the fact that by the time the Chinese start becoming a major naval threat, we will have normalized our submarine procurement. So think of the conditions in 2030, when we will be operating 18 brand new SSKs and 6 brand new SSNs. The Australians will be operating some Barracuda, the Japanese will be operating their Soryu and whatever after Soryu. The Americans... That's a lot of traffic for the Chinese to contend with. Post 2030, India will also start competing with the Chinese in numbers.

    The navy is all about decades.
     
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    Yes, It was always the plan. One report last year even quoted it as Project 76.

    That same report explicitly quotes manohar parrikar saying no more imported subs after P75I, you can't be selective. I couldn't find any other sources saying about reduction of SSK numbers. You just made up the '"Follow-on import" part. There will be indian designed SSKs, no matter how long it will take.

    Ultimately numbers would be 24-30 SSKs + 6 SSN.
     
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  15. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    No, that really is not enough to operate in both the IOR and SCS. 18 SSK, 6 SSN and 4 SSBN equates to only 6 SSK, 2 SSN and 1/2 SSBN being on operational deployment at any one time, that isn't enough to dominate the IOR let alone the SCS.

    The navy has MASSIVELY dropped the ball with its submarine and aviation arms.

    Also the article explicitly says the IN is thinking about revising up its SSK target from 24 to 30, not 30 subs (SSK+SSN+SSBN) total.
     
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