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Germany's Merkel, Weakened After Poor Election Showing, Struggles To Form Government

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  1. BMD

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    https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...-election-showing-struggles-to-form-governmen

    Germany's Merkel, Weakened After Poor Election Showing, Struggles To Form Government


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      German Chancellor Angela Merkel arrives at her Berlin party headquarters Friday for talks with members of potential coalition parties to form a new government.

      Kay Nietfeld/AFP/Getty Images
      For seven years, Angela Merkel has topped Forbes magazine's list of the most powerful women in the world. In the wake of populism's rise in European and U.S. politics, she's seen by many as a vital pillar of Western values and multilateralism.

      But the 63-year-old chancellor of Germany could soon lose her job if she fails to form a new government.

      That prospect is growing, even as the four political parties she needs for a governing coalition agreed early Friday to try one last time to overcome their seemingly insurmountable differences in the coming days.

      "I think it's 'Jamaica' or it's over," warned commentator Nico Fried of the dailySueddeutsche Zeitung, referring to the nickname Germans have given the would-be coalition, whose parties' black, yellow and green colors match those of the Caribbean nation's flag. "This could be the end of Angela Merkel."

      Among the key sticking points is how Germany plans to mitigate climate change, like whether to cut back on coal use, which accounts for 40 percent of German electrical power. Or whether to allow certain categories of refugees who've been granted asylum in Germany to send for their relatives, which officials estimate would amount to 150,000 to 180,000 people. Proponents say refugees can't integrate into German society if they are forced to leave their families behind, while opponents argue Germany is already overwhelmed by asylum seekers.

      Uwe Jun, a political scientist at the University of Trier. "Her job – and we see that now with the exploratory talks – is primarily to hold the whole thing together and to moderate" them.

      As a result, he says, Merkel might choose to spend more time on European and other international affairs and leave the domestic agenda to her divergent coalition partners.
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    She was weakened due to the normal tides of politics. Not by being the lame leader of a people who decided to leave Europe out of stupidity and vanity alone
     
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    The main reason is of dissent is refugees. She doesn't realize that average German has some mild protectionism and orthodoxy. Not all can follow her liberal path.
    It was fear of growing Jew minority that forced Germans to go to Hitler. This is a genuine concern of average German which she must understand
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    More than 80% of the country rejected to vote for the AFD, which is an alt right / anti EU party. This clearly shows that Germany rejected nationalistic, right wing and certainly anti EU movements.

    The delay now is not surprising and bound to the fact, that Germany is a multi party country. Even Merkels party has 2 sections, which means she has to deal with the leader of that section and 2 more parties to form a coalition. In fact it's rather surprising that the 2 smaller liberal and green parties have made seveal concessions pretty early in the negotiations, which is actually a good sign, which means she needs to get her own party in line and things can move on.
     
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    The AFD had some very extreme policies that weren't to do with refugees though, like being anti-same-sex relationships. UKIP was far less extreme by comparison, yet never got beyond 10% in the UK, the AFD got 13%. Equally the French National Front achieved 35%. These are crazy parties getting huge shares of the vote because of crazy policies by the main parties.

    The blunt truth is that the concealed idea of pseudo-open borders that the EU ambushed people with, has been soundly rejected by all.
     
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    That's your take but IMO the UK leaving has changed the dynamic. Macron is calling for reform, and rest assured Merkel would still have been forcing refugees down people's throats were it not for Brexit. If nothing else, Brexit served as a wake-up call.
     
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    That's because the original AFD, which started as an anti EU party and mainly got protest voters from Merkel's party and the liberals, was slowly but efficiently taken over by right wing the NDP party. Now, the NDP has basically renamed itself and taken over most of the leadership of the AFD, but is selling itself as a conservative option and hiding it's right wing agenda from the public to an extend.
    Most of the original AFD leadership and even members are gone, but frustrated or afraid conservantive voters, still think that the AFD could be something else compared to the available parties and voted for them. These voters however are not necessarily loyal to the ideology and will swing back to other parties in the next election, especially if the more right wing mentality in the party takes over.

    However, with all the media hype about anti EU, refugees and terrorism, the last few elections show a clear pro EU stand and that, except in the UK.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Lol, as usual brits take themselves too important. It was Merkels deal with Turkey that stopped the inflow of refugees!
    And she is also pushing for similar deals with north African countries. Morally questionable, because the problem will only be pushed to countries with less media coverage, but it certainly stopped the problem for the EU and the UK!
     
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    You can't make that statement though. Remember that both the Conservatives and Labour in the UK were pro-EU at the start of 2016 and before. UKIP got a smaller proportion of the vote than the AFD or Front Nationale despite being less crazy (basically they're just Conservatives who don't like the EU, no crazy policies). And still the UK voted to leave the EU. Other countries just haven't been given an option yet and it's only because of Brexit that Visegrad can tell the EU to stick it on refugee quotas. The EU lost the intellectual argument on open borders, it lost it badly despite Soros pumping 18bn Euros into conning people.
     
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    :rofl: You mean the deal for Turkey to take back immigrants not from Syria and Iraq, and send ones that were in exchange on a one-to-one basis? And promised VISA liberalisation for Turkey in exchange? Which simply caused the immigrants to come via Libya instead. Merkel's deal was idiotic and won her no friends. And it was her welcome that led to non-refugees turning up en masse as well.

    The media really has fooled people into thinking the flow has stopped, it hasn't.
     
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    We dont know voter turnout in German elections, so please stop this 80% rejected right wing etc. , Germany has a Center right party elected to power, tells me Germans got over the shame and guilt of World War 2. From now on the Center Right party will only increase its vote as Left parties get even more desperate in retaining votes and try radical appeasement by bringing in more refugees, thus triggering a reaction from general population and vote for right parties more in future.
     
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    I didn't made a comparison between the AFD and the British parties, just explained why they got those votes and as worry some it is, they already started to destruct themselves and as long as there is no new major refugee crisis coming, I don't see them getting much increase in future either.

    We have seen, the Dutch, French and German elections in between or after the British elections and all of them with a clearly different result than in the UK. Maybe even because the people saw the bad example Brexit is giving and made clear, that that's no option. So I don't worry about anti EU scentimes at the moment, the Russian issue of interference in elections is the greater risk for Europe, including the UK!


    More or less, because the importance of that deal was not in taking refugees back, but closing the Turkish - EU borders, to make it harder for Refugees to cross over from Turkey. That was the key move, to stop the Balkan route, before they enter European countries in the first place!

    As a result, the border crossings via Turkey have dropped by far and most refugees are now coming via north Africa and the more dangerous route crossing the Mediterranean Sea. The overall numbers of refugees arriving in Europe are down, while sadly the number of deaths are rising.

    Of course it hasn't completely and that will never happen, because most of these people are desperate. They don't leave their countries for fun, but are fleeing war, or political prosecution. We don't live in a perfect world where everything is fine. Do you know that one of the largest refugee groups at the moment are Turks? They are fleeing political prosecution now too, we even see military and government personell asking for asylum. So it's naive to believe that it will stop at some point, but it's even worse to cut the relations to everyone and do nothing.
    The problem needs to be tackled abroad, be it with Merkels Turkey deal, be it with similar agreements with north African countries and also with agreements to take back north Africans, that don't get asylum in Europe. But most importantly, by improving the situations in the countries the refugees are coming from!
    Europe just sat there for 4 years and did nothing in Syria. They only started actions, when the wave already was coming and by then it was too late to start common plans.
     
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    So you not only have a clue about IAF, but also not about German politics. Let's leave it at that then.
     
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    So you not only have a clue about IAF, but also not about German politics. Let's leave it at that then.
     
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    I dont know a lot about IAF as you, but Deustshland Politick, Jawhol!
    i know Deutsch, Passed A1 Deutsche Prufung.
    So lets leave it at that then.:dirol:
     
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