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Gujarat rivals China, India left behind

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by rcscwc, Jan 12, 2011.

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  1. rcscwc

    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Gujarat: Combining sense & sensibility



    TOI is not exactly friendly with Modi.
     
  2. jagjitnatt

    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    There is nothing special about Gujarat's development. A large number of people sending remittance from abroad, and two world class ports handling millions of tonnes of cargo, these two sources are enough to bring the kinda of liquid assets to Gujarat to pump into its economy. Where there is liquidity, there is development.
     
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    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    It's not just Gujarat, there are other states like Punjab and Kerala where a lot of money comes from abroad.
     
  4. BlueOval

    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    oH.... comeooon...give some credit to Modi and his team..... Dollar money flows into other states as well...and other states also have ports.....but do they have similar success stories...Bihar and Jharkhand are rich in Minerals.....but they are still struggling......and so are other states.....
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Gujarat has always been rich Modi just kept it goin.............
    J'Khand, and Bihar are just tasting wealth now will take time for them to catch up.......
    Any one remember Karnataka?????
     
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    jagjitnatt Major ELITE MEMBER

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    Ports have a LOT more income than income from mining coal and iron ore, which needs to be processed to be made useful and is very cheap.
    The ports in Gujarat handle much more cargo than any other port in India due to their location. Everything that comes from the gulf, the western countries, anything west of India for that matter is unloaded in Gujarat.

    Kandla port has the highest traffic, twice as that of both ports in Kolkata combined, and 1.5x times the traffic at Mumbai port. So that tells how much traffic it gets, not to mention almost all of it is international trade, unlike the other Indian ports, so the port generates higher revenue.

    Modi is doing a fine job, but nothing out of the ordinary.

    Bihar and Jharkhand are riddled with social problems, which restricts economic growth whereas people is Gujarat are LOT more tolerant and socially sound.
     
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    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Well Punjab was the richest state not too long ago....how many leaders have kept it going....

    Leadership.....leadership....leadership....... nothing else is responsible for that....they focussed on ruling the states rather than governing them.

    Nobody can ...:yu:
     
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    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Agreed

    Well you have East Bengal...with some bigg port facilities...and anything from east should land there.....but the state is indeep shit....they even force corporates to run away when they come with investment.


    All that matters is doing a fine job...

    I would say Socio-political problems.....the leadership is more into ruling the states ..rather than nurturing them.....
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Its agri based slumps are expected............
    They got more problems to deal with and besides they don't have port facilities like Guj..........

    No wonder things like this happen after yeddy and HDK took over.............
     
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    Tye are not expected......they are created by leadership......in Punjab the leaders are ok=more bothered about occupying the next chair......the youth is busy consuming Bhang and Fukki......riding bullets and oogling at girls....and busy doing Ashiqqui...
    As they say in Punjab.......Pick up a brick and you get 1000 Ashiqs underneath....

    Ports without good backup infrastructure are not good....so like Gujrat....more states with ports should develope surface transport system to compliment their ports....as of now gujrat has been doing great on that aspect.

    Those problems are created and not addressed by leadership......their leaders simply did't have vision to look beyond the next opposition the stomped upon...the next chair they would sit upon ...and so became the population...always thinking about next time they will get to eat.....
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    :police:JJ:police: please replace Chins with China our chines friends seem to take offence at using the word "CHINS"
     
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    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    There are other states that have such remittances and world class ports too. But remittances go into private hands, not govt coffers. Magarashtra has world class ports. Andhra gets lots of remittances. Bihar lives or used to live on money orders.

    There are very radical steps Gujarat has taken. Seperation of grids for agriculture and domestic uses. 24 hour power for domestic users, that too at good voltage. At least 8 hours of 3-phase power for agricultue. Lots of wind power electricity. Gujarat produces more electricity than whole of Pakistan!!

    Ever seen the saline marshes in Gujarat? Go to Dwarka for that, if not as a humble pilgrim then as tourist. Not much sweet water is available locally. Yet potable water is available, brought in by pipelines.

    Go to Punjab. Lots of water. Too much, in fact. Enough for water logging. Yet, potable water is in short supply. Ground water acquifers are badly polluted.


    Groan: Don't talk of INCLUSIVE developement. Roads are open to all, water and bijli is available for all. Opportunities are open to all.


    Psss. A secret. Go to Bet Dwarka. From Okha you need a ferry. At Okha, there is a list of authorised ferry operators. Scan it, like I did. 30-40 percent ferry owners are Muslims. Ask one of them about persecution, like I did. They will laugh at you.
     
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    Apologise for two typos. China it is. [a and s are adjacent, you know. Happens.]. But Gujarat typo is unpardonable, I concede. But pardon I crave.

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    Ports in Gujarat

    I have seen only Dahej port, twice. Once in 1985. It was a sleepy, time pass port, but landed fertiliser supplies. Only a wharf, a few sheds and a shanty of workers.

    Second was in 2007. It was snarling with pipelines. It had alreasy become an international port of call. A small port, no doubt. Not a world class port, no doubt. BUT gives value added services. Make it: Gujarat has two world class ports and numerous very good other ports, developed gradually.
     
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    I've been to Gujarat. Lived there for 2 years, in Bhuj. I've been to Kandla, Mundra, Gandhidham, Gandhinagaar, Ahmedabad, Dwarka, Rann of Kutch, and what not.
    I've seen things first hand. More than the government, its the role of the people there that has brought about the change. Gujaratis are heavy investors, they are investing heavily into everything. They earn so much. They are business minded people. And mind you, most of their investments are outside Gujarat, which brings money from other states to Gujarat.

    The electricity in Gujarat is due to the huge tidal wave advantage, and year long winds, you can see wind turbines on most of the coast in Gujarat. Gujarat didn't waste time with agriculture early on, because it is a low income high risk venture. And Gujarat wasn't suitable for it. The money didn't start pouring in when Modi became the CM, it was already pouring in at a high rate.

    In case of Punjab, it was a very rich state, not because we have a lot of resources, but because in times of kingdoms, Punjabi kings had invaded distant lands of Afghanistan and brought with them the riches, diamonds, treasures, and so much more. And also because during the British era, Punjab was the last region to come under British rule. We were free for the most of the time, which saved some of our wealth. That was all the riches we had. We have no natural resources, no ports, no trade routes, no strategic advantage, nothing but agriculture, and it is a low income high risk venture as I said earlier. We earn less, and with lacs of Biharis and UP people coming into Punjab every year, all our riches are being eroded away, and that is the reason Punjab is getting poorer and poorer day by day. Not to mention that Punjabis are still not out of the state of mind that we are the richest. They live like kings, when the ground situation is very different.

    To top it all, problems like desertification, and corruption have multiplied our problems. We can't even utilize our own water, since we need to channel it to southern states like Haryana, Rajasthan, and even Gujarat. Even in case of electricity, when there is shortage in Delhi, it is Punjab which has to route electricity to Delhi, at the cost of HUGE loasd shedding in Punjab, thanks to the ever increasing loans from the center.
     
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