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Hafees Saeed Arrested!!!

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by nair, Jan 30, 2017.

  1. ReddyMan

    ReddyMan FULL MEMBER

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    This is true, but at the very least it is tremendously embarrassing to China. They spent a lot of their political capital trying to prevent the ban over the objections of other members of the UNSC, only to have Pakistanis spit in their face and publicly declare a house arrest warrant over terrorism-related issue anyway.

    China is now looking like a fool for providing such unconditional support.
     
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  2. defc0n

    defc0n FULL MEMBER

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    That leads to the question - how far can US be trusted.
    And what happens after Trump? He has made himself quite unpopular among the Americans. What are the chances that he will be re-elected ?
     
  3. BlackOpsIndia

    BlackOpsIndia Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    Yes, China will intervene there, they sent some elite force in Syria, the force is so "stealthy" that once they were sent to Syria even Chinese cant find them and what operations they executed after 1.5 years of sending them.


    China’s military advisers ‘heading to Syria to help fight ISIS’ – report

    https://www.rt.com/news/316705-china-syria-isis-fight/


    So it is possible they can send that elite force once again to manage middle east once US pull out, maybe some wu mao can help us understood it better :)


    On a serious note, recent UAE-India rapprochement can also fit well into what you are saying. It is possible UAE is now trying to find new partners in case US pulls out.
     
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  4. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    @Levina I thought we had rules around not using disrespectful language
     
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  5. ReddyMan

    ReddyMan FULL MEMBER

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    The people who aide, abet, and support terrorist bastards like saeed deserve only the respect of a bullet passing through their skulls.
     
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  6. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Come on man , please avoid slurs while discussing
    @Agent_47 sir kindly edit above abusive
    posts
     
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  7. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Why even send a plane, just send a cruise missile...
     
  8. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    It is true that Pakistan is currently at a disadvantage due to some of the factors that you mention, but it also has a resourceful, ruthless and, most importantly, unaccountable leadership that will do just about anything to keep their hold on power. Only a general breakdown of Pakistani society will make matters unmanageable, and in this calculus, both China and USA can certainly be counted upon to help stabilize matters.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Is it... Possible....
    That...The Pakistanis are doing this for the F-16's (Or some other sales from US).....

    We know Trump won't shy away from selling weapons to anyone...(They say he is all about business and money....)

    But just for the sake of diplomatic relations with India and Humanity....They told the Pakistans to...Well...."Take Visible Action Against Terrorism".....And then the Pakistans are now putting up a nice show for them.....!?


    Or the More likely scenario is..

    After Statements of Banning Pakistani Nationals entering US...The Elite class got rattled..(they won't their kids to study in the US...And they might have other interests...)....Now they are putting up a show....

    Is all this even Possible.....!?


    And the China Angle is interesting too....Will they put a 'technical hold' , the next time we appeal....




    Why would the Pakistani Establishment all of a sudden....use words like 'Terrorist' is conjunction with a man they have 'Glorified and Defended for Years.....'


    I sincerely hope all this is not just some show....And they come to their senses...And extradict him....And co operate in a fair trial....



    PS : The Response of the Chinese would be interesting....Did they put our a statement or something....!?
     
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  10. Tejasmk3

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    How long before Pak start pushing for "peace talks" ..."See we are acting against terror,remember we are victim of terror too..... we must fight together etc etc":rolleyes:
     
  11. Nilgiri

    Nilgiri Lieutenant GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Nothing really matters too much (minor victories and defeats in geopolitics) I am afraid. Lip service and slapping of wrists bore me now to be honest.

    What would be significant to get my interest (w.r.t US - Pakistan relations) basically starts at Pakistan being declared an official state sponsor of terrorism by the US and staying there as long as required till the appropriate behaviour change is achieved.

    Its long overdue....and really it shows the massive disparity in strength still between the Israeli lobby in US (just look at the still bipartisan portrayal of Iran whenever its brought up) and India lobby.

    Till that happens, the US will always be "managing" its relations with Pakistan with the petty stuff like this.

    In the End, India needs to grow its economy and influence a lot more and not focus so much on overly high fiving and disparaging (depending on the event) about this petty stuff. Time is a very valuable commodity....Indians (Esp elite in positions of power) need to pay better deference to that.....rather than spending hours and hours gloating and moaning about every success/failure w.r.t Pakistan geopolitics. Get out of the equal-equal mindset if you truly want to convince others equal-equal does not apply between India and Pakistan.
     
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  12. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    pretty difficult to get even small victories there man. Fact is this guy's hoodlums have held that country hostage. If you screw around with him too much Jihadis will start bombing pak and killing government officials instead of spreading venom in Kashmir.
     
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    Tejasmk3 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/182751-Act-against-JuD-or-face-sanctions-US-tells-Pakistan


    Pakistan has again been pushed to decide whether it’s going to declare Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) as defunct or continue to give it a clean chit. However, this time the United States has clearly told Islamabad that in case of not following the ‘advice’, Pakistan may face sanctions. On the other hand, JuD may also change its face again with a new name, highly-placed government sources told this correspondent.

    “Consultations are going on whether to declare JuD as defunct or not. However, the final decision will be taken after consultations between the civilians and military authorities,” one of the key senior officials directly linked with the matter revealed to The News.

    JuD, a charity organization, is also alleged to be the front for the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). The organisation, which is headed by Hafiz Saeed Ahmed, is allegedly involved in militant activities in Indian held Kashmir and has already been declared as a ‘foreign terrorist organisation’ by the United States in June 2014.

    The sources claim that the United States assistant secretary of state in his meeting with Jalil Abbbas Jilani, Pakistani High Commissioner to the US, on January 11 this year raised the issue in the Asia Pacific Group on Money Laundering (APG)’s latest report.

    The APG on Money Laundering is an autonomous and collaborative international organisation which is working since 1997 from Bankok, Thailand. The 41-member organisation includes the Financial Action Task Force, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Asian Development Bank and the Egmont Group of Financial Intelligence Units. APG is involved in effective implementation and enforcement of internationally accepted standards against money laundering and financing of terrorism.

    Reportedly, in the latest APG report, some key objections were raised regarding the activities and the financial traffic of JuD. The same were presented before High Commissioner Jalil Abbas Jilani.

    The sources claim that the US authorities clearly told the high commissioner that if the objections raised in the report were not addressed, the US may put Pakistan in the blacklist of the countries in the International Cooperative Review Group (ICRG).

    In case of being blacklisted, Pakistan has to tender a request for each of its international transaction through the international financial institutions.

    The source claimed that the high commissioner soon after the meeting wrote a detailed letter to the Foreign Office (FO) informing the situation. The letter also informed the authorities that Pakistan has to write back a report until the 31st of January regarding the objections of the APG and the US authorities. In this regard, this correspondent contacted the spokesman of Foreign Affairs Nafees Zakria who said he was unaware of any such thing. Later, a formal question was sent to him in writing but no answer was received even after five days.

    The sources claimed that the Foreign Office has raised this issue with the Finance and Interior Ministries. In this regard, two separate key meetings respectively with Finance Minister Ishaq Dar and National Security Adviser Lt Gen (retd) Nasir Janjua have taken place.

    The sources claim that Dar, in a closed door meeting, had clearly said that the decision to ban the JuD would be made by the security establishment. The sources claim that it has unanimously been decided that the report containing the concerns of APG would be drafted by Syed Mansur Ali, the director general of State Bank Financial Monitoring Unit. Despite many attempts to reach the DG MFU, no response was received.

    In this regard when this correspondent contacted another top official who was directly linked to the issue until recently, he said that all the concerns are in the picture and necessary actions are being taken by the relevant officials.

    On the other hand, the JuD has started discreetly working under the name of ‘Tehreek-e-Azadi-e-Kashmir’ (Kashmir Freedom Movement). The latest name has been adopted by the JuD chief Hafiz Saeed since January 14, 2017 in a press conference. According to Saeed, they have declared the year 2017 as a year for Kashmir, so they will be using this name besides keeping their independent position as JuD. The sources claim that in the days to come, the JuD may change its face again and may also announce to join politics probably with the new name. This correspondent attempted to reach Yahya Mujhaid, the spokesman of JuD, but he too was not available for comment.
     
  14. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Yup, first terrorize the terrorist rat to run to the hole, then smoke it
     
  15. Golden_Rule

    Golden_Rule 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I guess they are holding the cards of an old deck :)
     

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