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HAL capabilities only claim or realty

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by dralokarya, Oct 6, 2011.

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  1. dralokarya

    dralokarya IDF NewBie

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    With full regard to all member I want here to stat discussion on HAL capabilities.
    Starting with question I think lead discussion in good direction.


    1. HAL manufactured MIG 21 with engine ever.
    2. Any fighter plan engine manufactured by HAL(Turbojet Turboprop or Turbofan ).
    3. I heard JAGUAR manufactured by HAL . Is it 100% from raw material to full plane with electronics and radar etc or other wise.
    4. Can any one comment on HAL claim that they have mastered manufacturing of wing and fuselage of MKI from raw material and also production of raw material and testing locally procured engine with plan to manufacture engine from raw material and raw material for the same with in a year. Means mastered manufacturing of MKI except RADAR with in a year .
     
  2. dralokarya

    dralokarya IDF NewBie

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    Every day MIG 21 old or latest bison upgrade is crashing . HAL is not able to find out snag in it and rectify it how can it claim that it is manufacturing MKI and going to mmrca .
     
  3. Vritra

    Vritra Major ELITE MEMBER

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    I'm going to refrain from debating HAL's current capacity, because the topic will just circle back on the same points over and over. What I will say is that most of the aircraft they built were from kits, till the facilities to produce required raw materials and technology were established in the country.

    The Bison upgrades were meant to upgrade the MiG-21's performance against more contemporary aircraft, and extend its life till the LCA was production ready. This was in 1996, where a total of about 120 MiG-21 and bis standard aircraft (last produced in 1984/5) were identified for upgrade. This is still when HAL had fairly limited facilities and knowledge. Whatever you think of the life upgrades performed, you've got to acknowledge first that the older MiGs were already falling out of the sky. There's only so much you can do to extend the life of the aircraft, considering fatigue. They had limited funds, limited knowledge, limited capabilities. No wonder they're still crashing. In this respect, HAL are innocent enough.

    Where they're guilty, along with ADA, DRDO, GTRE, and practically every other government run operation, is in their failure to get the Tejas combat ready in time. Had they admitted that the Tejas was not going to be ready in time, and perhaps decided to replace the MiGs with imported aircraft (Mirage 2000s were still in production, and the money had begun to flow in to the Indian economy in enough scale to authorize a large scale purchase of Mirages from France), India might not have lost so many aircraft. More importantly, we might not have lost so many lives.

    But no.

    Instead, the MRCA tender was established. And kudos, they've done well with the MRCA. The need for capabilities be damned, they could've run the MRCA side by side with an acquisition of Mirages. Maybe even more MiG-29s (though that's a more expensive option).

    Is HAL alone to blame for this? No. The indolence of our nation is.
     
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  4. Foxtrot

    Foxtrot Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    HAL has the capability of producing aircrafts only when the designs, parts, machines are supplied to them......in other words they can only assemble aircrafts, not build them.......
     
  5. Vritra

    Vritra Major ELITE MEMBER

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    ^^^That isn't entirely true. The HJT-36 Sitara, at least, is a relatively solo effort by them. They've also helped in the development of the Tejas. Apart from that, with outside expertise, they've built the Dhruv helo, and further developed that into the LCH.

    What you're talking about is R&D capability, in which India is sorely lacking, not just HAL. But funds are being poured into all defence-related fronts, so in a couple of decades India's indigenous capabilities should jump to a respectable level.
     
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    MAFIAN GOD Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I don't think that HAL lack in capability but they do lack in management and process work of any project.
    HAL don't keep its deadlines and as a Sarkari red taped work we can see the results of each and every project.
    However there are few exception too like Dhruv,LCH helicopters.
    This situation will slowly change as the pay for Scientists and engineers will increase and as more money will be put up in R&D.
     
  7. dralokarya

    dralokarya IDF NewBie

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    They had limited funds, limited knowledge, limited capabilities.

    Is HAL unaware of this .
    So they should not claim big like manufacturing of MKI with raw material with also production of raw material and going to manufacture engine.

    Actually what I evaluate -after 11 year of MKI induction they actually learned to assemble engine from kit.
     
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