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Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by TSUNAMI, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. VinodKumar

    VinodKumar 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    the rudra program has given army a decisive edge in offensive capability plus once lch start to roll out the army aviation will have lethal punch within it self.[​IMG]
     
  2. Anish

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    IAF MAY RESTRUCTRE PILOT TRAINING

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    The IAF may be forced to junk its transitional training for rookie fighter pilots because of Hindustan Aeronautics’ continuing failure to deliver its Sitara intermediate jet trainer (IJT), which was first sanctioned in 1999 but still cannot stall-and-spin.

    Stall-and-spin is one of the critical maneuvers used to transform rookie cadets into top-gun fighter pilots in the inherently-dangerous art of combat flying. It teaches them how to handle emergencies, hold their nerve and retrieve their planes from a spin, as was depicted in Shashi Kapoor’s film Vijeta of the early-1980s.

    Sources said the Sitara IJT has been hit by a delay of another four-to-five years after missing seven deadlines for getting initial operational clearance following the formal approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security in March 2005.

    The IJT will require major structural changes, including increase in airframe length as well as addition of another 305-kg to the already overweight plane, to resolve the stall-and-spin problem. “The IJT has been declared unfit for spin, even by foreign consultants like BAE Systems, after spending around Rs 4,500 crore on it,” said a source.

    This will obviously have serious repercussions for the current three-stage training of fighter pilots undertaken by the IAF, which costs around Rs 13 crore per cadet. A rookie is taken through the paces to ensure he can handle supersonic fighters, some of which like the single-engine MiG-21s are “highly-unforgiving” to pilot errors.

    The first stage is now being conducted on newly-acquired Swiss propeller-driven Pilatus PC-7 basic trainer aircraft (BTA), which can undertake instrument, tactical and night-flying as well as some aerobatics. The Pilatus aircraft were an emergency purchase after IAF training schedule went haywire following the grounding of the entire fleet of the 114 old piston-engine HPT-32 aircraft — which had long served as the BTA — after a crash killed the pilot in August 2009.

    The intermediate stage is currently undertaken on the equally obsolete Kiran aircraft, whose operational life has been repeatedly extended due to the absence of the Sitara IJT. But the Kirans, in gradually reducing numbers, can be used till 2017-18 at the most.

    The final stage, where the pilots are taught the intricacies of combat fighter flying including air-to-ground bombing, is conducted on British Hawk advanced jet trainers (AJTs). Earlier, the cadets were forced to graduate directly to the highly-demanding MiG-21s after flying sub-sonic aircraft like HPT-32 and Kirans.

    IAF may restructure jet pilot training - The Times of India
     
  3. Anish

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    IAF jet trainer crashes in Odisha, pilots safe

    An Indian Air Force advanced jet trainer aircraft crashed near a police station in Odisha’s Mayurbhanj district on Wednesday, about 35 minutes after it took off from Kaleikunda air base in West Bengal. However, the two pilots – wing commander Sachin Mahajan and Flying officer Siddhant – had ejected safely minutes before the aircraft crashed. There was no civilian or livestock casualty.

    Officials said the BAE Systems Hawk advanced trainer aircraft (A 3492) crashed at a paddyfield in Kudurasahi under Bisoyi block of Mayurbhanj at 1.23 pm today, ending in a massive fireball.

    Siddhant, who sustained injuries on his head during landing, has been shifted to the district headquarters hospital in Baripada for treatment, said Mayurbhanj SP Surath Chandra Mallick. The two pilots were traced to a place about 2-3 km away from the accident site.

    The aircraft took off from the Kaleikunda airbase of IAF in West Bengal along with two other aircrafts on a training sortie at 12.36 pm. Initial reports said that the crash was caused by ‘mechanical failure’. A court of inquiry is likely to be started soon to probe into the cause of the accident.

    Senior IAF personnel from Kaleikunda rushed to the spot after the mishap. Firefighters from Bangiriposi rushed to the spot and tried to douse the fire. The aircraft was completely gutted. A 10-feet deep crater has been formed under the impact of the crash, eyewitnesses said.

    Former IAF Captain and BJD MLA from Junagarh, Dibyasundar Mishra said the IAF aircrew have been training on the British Aerospace Hawk AJT for at least 8 years from now.

    IAF jet trainer crashes in Odisha, pilots safe | The Indian Express
     
  4. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    well IAFs criminal negligience is well known when it comes to

    Humar error accidents
    Poor Maintaince
    & poor record in keeping sufficient stock

    no wonder its aircrafts go crashing
     
  5. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Do you have any proof or maintaining your proven record of a habitual compulsive liar?
     
  6. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    read CAG reports on Air force

    there is a sepearate thread for it with links to CAG reorts site
     
  7. arulcharles

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    Boeing ends contract with HAL over ‘poor quality’ of production

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    US defence major Boeing has terminated a contract with state-run Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) for component supplies to the former’s war and commercial planes being inducted into the Indian Navy.

    Boeing’s decision came after repeated reminders to HAL about its “poor quality” of production, sources said, adding that the US company’s move underlined the need for better strategies by India’s policymakers in order to bolster the order books of defence PSUs.

    Boeing has over the last few years shifted its component sourcing requirements in India to private companies — Tata Group, Dynamatic Technologies, Rossell Techsys and others.

    Under a $4.7-million contract signed with Boeing in 2010, HAL was to provide weapons bay doors for eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft that the former would supply to the Indian Navy.

    The contract with HAL for equipment for the P8I, through its avionics division in Hyderabad, was the first P-8I offset package that Boeing had directly executed with India’s largest aerospace company. In addition to its work on the P-8I programme, HAL was to also supply Boeing with gun bay doors and wire harnesses for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and uplock boxes for the 777 commercial airplane.

    Boeing refused to comment for this story, while senior HAL officials said although “there were problems” (with the Boeing contract), these would be resolved.

    “Boeing is already working with multiple companies in India to fulfil its commitments. We are actively working global sourcing strategies that can help make Boeing more competitive around the world, in addition to building India’s aerospace capabilities and meeting our offset commitments,” Dennis Swanson, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) in India, had told FE in an interview earlier.

    Industry sources have indicated that since 2014, Boeing has been expressing its dissatisfaction with HAL’s performance and has moved to other firms to meet its requirements. For instance, Dynamatic Technologies and Tata Advanced Materials (TAML) are delivering power and mission equipment cabinets for P-8I aircraft, and TAML is also on contract to provide P-8I auxiliary power unit door fairings. Dynamatic Technologies is on contract to manufacture the aft pylon and cargo ramp assemblies for Boeing’s CH-47F Chinook. Maini and TAL Manufacturing Solutions are on contract to provide C-17 ground support equipment to Boeing.

    Boeing is interested in setting up a manufacturing base in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme. It has recently inked a framework agreement with Tata Advanced Systems to collaborate in aerospace and defence manufacturing and potential integrated systems development opportunities, including unmanned aerial vehicles.

    Boeing ends contract with HAL over ‘poor quality’ of production | The Financial Express
     
  8. arulcharles

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    Indian Air force asks Hindustan Aeronautics to stop work on jet trainer

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    In a setback for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the Indian Air Force (IAF) has asked the state-owned firm to stop its efforts to produce the Intermediate Jet Trainers (IJT). This comes close on the heels of the recent accident of the advanced jet trainer Hawk, which is currently being produced at HAL under licence from BAE Systems, UK.

    “While an inquiry has been ordered for the Hawk accident, the HAL is failing in its IJT R&D (research and development) where the timelines have been revised at least thrice if not more. The company has already taken close to R630 crore from the government (for the IJT venture). The IAF has now lost its patience and has conveyed the same to both the ministry of defence and the HAL,” revealed sources privy to the matter on conditions of anonymity.

    Under the timeline indicated by HAL earlier, the IJTs were to be inducted in the IAF this year. However, a lot of tests of the machine are still not done. Also, issues related to the specifications given by the customer (IAF) have not been met with, the sources said.

    However, responding to FE’s queries, a senior official in HAL said: “The majority of the tests have been completed in the case of the IJT except spin test and armament trials for operational clearance later this year. And this will be followed up by the spinning of the aircraft, which will happen anytime now.”

    Interestingly, since 1997, the IJT has been under development but still no fixed date for final operational clearance is in sight, which made the IAF’s frustration soar. “And the IAF is not happy being forced to wait for these machines as it is hampering the training programme,” an official said. The IJT is aimed at providing high-speed training for IAF pilots entering the second stage of training. Fresh cadets begin flight training in a basic trainer aircraft (BTA) and then on an IJT, before moving on to an advanced jet trainer (AJT) to finally learn the art of combat flying.

    With the induction of the Swiss Pilatus PC-7 and the British Hawk, IAF’s basic and advanced trainer requirements are taken care of. The problem is the mid-level training — the IJT.

    Meanwhile, with the customer not willing to wait for the IJT, the ministry of defence has already floated an expression of interest (EoI) seeking information from global firms to procure intermediate jet trainers. The EoIs have been sent to Russia’s Yakovlev; Italy’s Alenia Aermacchi; Korea Aerospace Industries of South Korea; Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Beechcraft of the US; and Saab of Sweden.

    The MoD stand comes even though it had decided that only state-owned monopoly HAL will meet the service’s future basic trainer requirements through its HTT-40 trainer, which is still under development. However, to meet the air force’s immediate needs, until the homemade HTT-40 is inducted, MoD has ordered another 38 Swiss-made Pilatus PC-7 Mark-IIs to top the 75 ordered by the outgoing government in 2012.

    Indian Air force asks Hindustan Aeronautics to stop work on jet trainer | The Financial Express
     
  9. arulcharles

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    HAL is in big trouble , already there has been question raised for the poor quality of dornier aircraft and Su 30 MKI

    Sooner all the Projects from HAL will be transferred to Private sector
     
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    After 4 Crashes, Ecuador Grounds Fleet of Indian Dhruv Choppers, Cancels Contract

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    NEW DELHI: In a major setback for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the government of Ecuador which had bought seven Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters from India has grounded all such remaining choppers in service and has unilaterally ended a contract with the state-owned Indian company.

    This decision was taken after four of the seven Indian built choppers crashed. They were supplied to Ecuador between 2009 and 2012.


    At least two of those chopper crashes were linked to pilot errors. One of them was assigned to transport the President of the country when it went down, though he was not on board.

    According to AP reports, the Ecuadorian Defence Minister has announced that two of the helicopters crashed because of mechanical problems, and that getting spare components for the choppers from India had proven to be problematic.

    Reacting to the situation in Ecuador, senior officials at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Bengaluru have told NDTV that they are yet to receive any official word on cancellation of the contract with HAL. They insist that all spare components have been provided on time, and that they had not been provided with any investigation reports indicating the mechanical failures on the helicopters.

    HAL, which had provided ground support for these choppers in Ecuador, have said that the two choppers that crashed allegedly because of mechanical defects went down after the ground support period with Ecuador had ended.

    There are more than 200 Dhruv choppers in service with the Indian Armed Forces which use them extensively. The chopper, which is capable of high altitude operations, had played a major role in the rescues in Uttarakhand during the Kedarnath floods.

    The Ecuadorian decision to scrap its contract with HAL will come as a major blow to the company looking to seek foreign customers for the Dhruv choppers which have, by and large, been accepted favourably by the Indian Armed forces which have flown them for more than 1,50,000 hours since they were inducted.

    After 4 Crashes, Ecuador Grounds Fleet of Indian Dhruv Choppers, Cancels Contract
     
  11. sam2012

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    When is HTT-40 going to fly?? was promised in 2015 not many days to go
     
  12. Picdelamirand-oil

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    Perhaps in 5 years. Just taking into account an India time anomaly.
     
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    Hawk & Pilatus will be the last trainers India will be importing. Next model will be an Indian one. Doesn't matter if it takes 5 or 10 years now.
     
  14. Gessler

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    How can you be sure of that? AFAIK there is no Indian trainer entering service with IAF in foreseeable future - I see only Pilatus & Hawks.

    No one wants the HJT-36 or the HTT-40. Now that it seems IAF is going to adopt a 3-tier training aircraft fleet consisting of...

    I.) Basic Turboprop Trainer (BTT) : Pilatus PC-7A Mk.2
    II.) Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) : BAe Hawk Mk.132
    III.) Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) : ???

    ...the only slot available to fill is that of a LIFT. A modified Tejas Mk.1 OCT (twin-seater) version is perfectly suitable for that. But I'm
    not seeing any official movement in that direction, just suggestions from watchers. So let's hope HAL can sense the opportunity to take on
    a live game instead of beating a dead horse, and start working to make a LIFT version of Tejas.

    But knowing HAL, they will probably do nothing until IAF runs out of patience and has to go looking for a foreign LIFT, too. Probably the
    Yakovlev Yak-130 or something like that.
     
  15. abhitej

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    I mean the next model after Pilatus & Hawk are retired. As of now IAF will buy more of them. But then 10 years from now our own trainers will be ready, made by HAL or private sector.
     

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