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Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by TSUNAMI, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    As I said you cannot be sure of that...because I am 110% sure that HAL, based on previous record, will certainly not be able to supply the demand,
    while so far there is no private sector company actually getting into the business of manufacturing new-design aircraft within India.

    We would just imagine/hope that the next series of aircraft will all be Indian. We did the same in the 60's when the Marut started flying
    and look where we are now.
     
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    Ezco Captain FULL MEMBER

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    to have an indigenous trainer ready in 10 years the program should be already started, what is this program ?
     
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    Dont be so pessimistic. We certainly will be making all 3 levels of trainers along with engines in India 10 years from now.

    HAL makes handsome profits & will not be bothered even if it makes losses. It can continue with development of trainers & helicopters on its own even if IAF does not want to buy.
     
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    Program is already running.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    ...and that, my friend, is the reason why HAL is so incompetent.

    Because it's a govt-run company, it doesn't bother with losses, and because it doesn't bother with losses, it fails to deliver on the demand regardless
    of continuing dissatisfaction on the part of IAF/IA/IN.
     
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    Mahindra Aerospace will be in a better position with their exposure CNM5 to design next gen trainer turbotrop trainer provided our armed force gives firm order or they will not burn their hands ,

    The C-NM5 from CSIR-NAL and Mahindra Aerospace makes its maiden flight

    Again to be honest HAL , I have know few people there in Bangalore it is hopeless LALA COMPANY they openly accept they sleep in BIN LOCATION & spend 3/4 of working hours idle with that kind of work environment god save our aerospace dream

    HTT-40 they promised to test fly in 2015 , where is the PV?? were there any ground run ??
     
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    Marut is a different story after Nehru his daughter was more interested in strategic partnership rather than building on Marut follow on like HF-25 , HF-73 , ASF-300 with European engine but none was given govt backing she was happy buying more Mig-21 & going for Jaguars by pleasing Soviets & Anglo-French to get strategic alliance cemented which infact helped in other course but terribly affected local aerospace pool

    Meantime IAF showed no interest on Marut Mk2 or it's follow on

    And big question remains whether HAL would have mastered the follow on better and delivered the good on time I can't guarantee
     
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    The C-NM5 is completely made by GippsAero, an Australian aeronautics company owned by Mahindra Group. I'm not entirely sure about
    NAL's involvement but whatever the case, it's going to take a hell of investment to be able to build turboprop/non-afterburning jet trainers.

    Still, we must understand that as per official guidelines in place, no preference will & should be shown toward the country of origin of any
    product that is bought in a competitive tender. So we not just need to make a trainer, but we need to make one that either performs way better
    than the others in its class or atleast costs a lot less to maintain while not compromising on quality or performance. That is a long way to go.

    I'd rather not bet on such far-fetched possibilities, but I will say this : if anyone in India can actually develop a competent aerospace product,
    it will be the private sector. HAL may have little gems hear & there but they're track record & portfolio as a company will always remain incompetent
    and full of holes.
     
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    Manohar Parrikar to review indigenous basic trainer project as air force sends out distress call | idrw.org

    With the air force sending out a distress call over the dire shortage of trainer aircraft to coach pilots, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is reviewing the progress of an indigenous project that has been lagging behind time.
    Sources tell ET that the HTT 40 program – a project by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to develop a new basic trainer for the air force and navy – is being viewed with great concern, given that the first flight of the aircraft has been delayed by a year to December 2015.
    Parrikar will get a thorough briefing of the project at the high powered defence acquisition committee ( DAC) meeting on Tuesday by top HAL officials. This comes after the air force has raised concerns on the project which has a direct impact of its training schedule.
    The sense of urgency has become even more intense with the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) program of HAL being virtually dumped as the aircraft has failed to meet spin recovery tests. At present, the air force relies of three aircraft for coaching pilots – a basic trainer, the intermediate jet trainer and an advanced training aircraft.
    However, with the Kiran Mk II intermediate trainer set to retire in the next 2-4 years and the IJT program being dumped as a failure, the IAF has rejigged its program in a three stage, two aircraft plan. While at the higher end, the Hawk advanced trainer is available in adequate numbers, there is a severe shortage of basic trainers.
    The air force had purchased 75 of the Pilatus PC 7 trainers in a fast track contract in May 2012 but the requirement is for 106 more. While a plan is being pursued to purchase another 38 of the PC 7s from Pilatus, the contract is stuck on pricing issues.
    In March this year, the government scrapped an air force plan to order close to a hundred more PC 7s, firmly batting for the indigenous HTT 40 project. While the program is running behind time – the first flight was to be in January this y ear – the government is firm in its push for the desi trainer and reviews of the project at the top level are expected at frequent intervals from now on.

    :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
     
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    Good management Mr Parrikar :rofl::rofl:
     
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    It is HAL management issue , and the message will be clear to lethargic HAL on HTT-40 you don't worry
     
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    This is from Parrikar:
     
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    I guess abhijet has answered your question if not fully understood let me try to explain again , if HAL does not show urgency in HTT-40 they will slapped all over & PC-7 will be ordered

    Next they will be shown their right place on IJT-Sitara .With such attitude they might loose to second LCA Assembly line to private players like Tata advance system , Mahindra & Reliance who are itching to go on with aircraft assembly provided they have firm orders

    Parikar is not Saint Antony to let this lethargic attitude of HAL go unperturbed
     
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