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Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by TSUNAMI, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. abhitej

    abhitej Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    @Paliwal Warrior & @abhitej no doubt you both are very passionate about indigenized systems which is way to go forward I fully support that, but I don't blindly support HAL why there should be no competition between HAL & Private players ?? why HAL always contest against competition ?? Is that due to fear of loosing monopoly.I know people who are working in HAL Bangalore trust me it is pathetic out there . Disfuntional set-up , Lathargic approach , Union etc it is political nightmare many go there sleep come back get salary :facepalm: in 50's & 60's the same HAL was flagship of indian aerospace now it is bad shape due reasons might be many but Indian aerospace is at stake if HAL under performs

    HAL messed up with Ecuador ALH export. Where is HTT-40?? was about to test fly in 2015 not much days left , boeing cancelled the deal due to poor quality std they can't blame here IAF on these cases they themselves to be blamed
     
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    Because buying arms from private sector is expensive. Russia & China produce good quality equipment at cheap prices because of public sector enterprise.

    Look at history and you will find all big empires having own defence industry controlled by state. Russia has all the equipment that US has at 1/10th of budget because of public sector.

    HAL produces Dhruv at 7 million dollars. You wont get a helicopter of same capabilities from private sector at twice the price.
     
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    But it won't crash.
     
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    Crashes happen in Mk1 & Mk2 version of Dhruv. Mk3 version its as good as any western helicopter. Call the crashes in earlier version as learning lessons.
     
  7. Paliwal Warrior

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    lets revisit the crash record of Su30MKi in IAF and compare it to crash record of Rafale in french airforece service ?

    should we

    because it has been done n no of times and even you know who came out on tops
     
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    Agreed but in China & Russia if PSU's don't perform many responsible might end up in jails worst case executed Stalin & Mao doctrine

    here in India PSU always find reasons for not doing and escape , If they are making everything upto standards in time then no issues

    More over Russia has Mig , Tupolev, Yakolev, Sukhoi,illusian etc and China has Chendu,hongdu,AIC etc all compete each other and the best among is picked

    But do we have any other alternative other than HAL ??
     
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    Mate you don't sound like a professional but an cartoon , what ever French produces are crash proof?? Mirage, Rafale , Eurocopter helicopters never crashed????

    Have you ever gone through Dhruv track record in Nepal earth quake relief??? If you don't have anything sense to contribute to the thread please be quite instead of sharing nonsense
     
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    It's not non sense : after Equator crash the HAL reputation is very low.
     
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    HAL investing in own Aero Engine - taking baby steps to become a products company with indegenous / in house products

    Parrikar witnesses maiden run of HAL’s 25 kN aero engine Written by: OneIndia Defence Desk Updated: Monday, December 14, 2015, 17:45 [IST] Share this on your social network: Facebook Twitter Google+ Comments Mail Bengaluru, Dec 14: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on Monday witnessed a significant event that boosted the Make in India mandate of his government in Bengaluru. Parrikar was at Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd's (HAL) Engine Division on Old Madras Road for the inaugural run of the core 25 kN indigenous aero engine. HAL’s 25 kN aero engine HAL’s 25 kN aero engine Hailed as a landmark event for the aerospace industry and the Make in India movement, the Hindustan Turbo Fan Engine (HTFE-25) maiden run promises a bright era for India's home-grown aeronautical projects. HAL says the engine can be used for basic, intermediate and advanced trainer aircraft. "The engine can also be used on business jets and five tone class aircraft in single engine configuration and on aircraft of up to nine tonne class in the twin engine configuration," says an HAL official. HAL’s 25 kN aero engine HAL aims to produce indigenously designed and developed aero engines within a time frame of six years beginning 2013. "In the first phase of the programme, the design of the full engine and manufacture and testing of the technology demonstrator of the core engine are covered. In the subsequent phases the manufacture and testing of the full engine will follow," says the official. HAL’s 25 kN aero engine HAL's Bengaluru-based Aero Engine Research & Design Centre (AERDC), HAL, had taken up the design and development of the 25 kN thrust class turbofan engine for basic military trainer aircraft. In future, HAL hopes to design and development Hindustan Turbo Shaft Engine (HTSE-1200) for helicopters of 3.5 tonne class in the single engine configuration (for LUH) and for 5 to 8 ton class in twin engine configuration (for ALH and LCH). 6000 engines needed in the next 20 years Speaking on the occasion, Parrikar asked HAL to stay competitive and play key role in supplying 4000 to 6000 helicopter engines in the next 15-20 years. HAL’s 25 kN aero engine "There is a lot of potential in future, with the Make in India programme and other initiatives. So it becomes important that HAL uses its experience and in collaboration with private firms, makes the best use of it. You must not think private guys are only for competition, instead you must take them along and cooperate with them," Parrikar said. He said despite some good work in aeronautics and aerospace sectors, India has failed to pass the threshold barrier to become best in the world. HAL’s 25 kN aero engine "We'll have to take quick decisions, expedite processes and as the landscape changes, I must tell you that Bengaluru will play a huge role," he said. He complimented HAL for keeping the HTT-40 Basic Trainer Aircraft project as per the schedule. OneIndia News

    Read more at: Parrikar witnesses maiden run of HAL’s 25 kN aero engine - Oneindia
     
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    HAL is never going to cut it, government industries are always more political, corrupt, inefficient the private corporations. The rest of the world ahs found that out and privatizing most government own businesses.
     
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    Efficiency differences between private and state-owned enterprises in the international petroleum industry (1992)

    Technical (managerial), scale and allocative efficiency differences between private and state owned firms in the international petroleum industry are estimated. The estimation of Aigner-Chu deterministic frontiers, maximum likelihood stochastic frontiers, and maximum likelihood Gamma frontiers make this analysis the most complete and sophisticated testing of property rights theory available. The empirical findings suggest ceteris paribus, that state firms could satisfy the demand for their output with something less than half of their current resource inputs simply by being converted to private, for profit enterprises.

    Of course, that last claim depends on the costs of privatization and asserting those efficiency gains can actually be realized in the sorts of places where oil firms are state owned.

    The Financial and Operating Performance of Newly Privatized Firms: An International Empirical Analysis (1994)

    This study compares the pre- and postprivatization financial and operating performance of 61 companies from 18 countries and 32 industries that experience full or partial privatization through public share offerings during the period 1961 to 1990. Our results document strong performance improvements, achieved surprisingly without sacrificing employment security. Specifically, after being privatized, firms increase real sales, become more profitable, increase their capital investment spending, improve their operating efficiency, and increase their work forces. Furthermore, these companies significantly lower their debt levels and increase dividend payout. Finally, we document significant changes in the size and composition of corporate boards of directors after privatization.
     
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    HAL is plain stupid in this case. They cud have gone and bought full tot for Honeywell F125 engine which is far superior today to what this stupid engine from HAL will be in 2023.
     
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    In short if India continues with government owned defense corporations they are screwed. If Indian does not allow foreign competition they are screwed. If India requires local control and majority owner ship they are screwed...... India will only have the best if it allows wide open competition.
     

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