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HAL / Hindustan aeronautics limited

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by TSUNAMI, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    HAL is plain stupid in this case. They cud have gone and bought full tot for Honeywell F125 engine which is far superior today to what this stupid engine from HAL will be in 2023.
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Globally, 30-35 per cent of the pay costs of companies are absence-related, which are expenses incurred on the leaves granted to employees. 10 per cent of the payroll costs are linked to unplanned absence globally. In India, this cost is about 15-20 per cent. It means if a company has placed 1,000 people for a project, and 200 have not turned up, it is an unplanned expense that will directly hit the bottom line. If the cost leakage due to workforce mismanagement is 3-5 per cent globally, in India it is three times that of the global numbers. Lack of manpower planning and skilling are some other challenges that Indian companies across sectors face.

    Absenteeism, lack of manpower planning challenges in india: James Thomas, Kronos - timesofindia-economictimes

    Your screwed.
     
  3. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Labour productivity in India, 15% of US productivity
    Mythili Bhusnurmath, ET BureauFeb 12, 2011, 03.08am IST
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    Despite rapid growth over the last decade, labour productivity in India is still much lower than in many other countries. According to the McKinsey Global Institute, 2001, it is only 15% of US productivity. There are also large variations in productivity levels within the country.

    Can these differences be explained by differing management practices? Economists have typically been sceptical about the importance of management on the grounds that competition will drive badly-managed companies out of the market. A second reason for their scepticism is the complexity of management, making it hard to measure. Recent work, however, has focused on specific management practices that can be measured, taught in B-schools and recommended by consultants.
     
  4. The Drdo Guy

    The Drdo Guy Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    HAL on parrikar visit, HAL-log kahety hain mai badla badla sa lagta hoon, aap ka kya khayal hai mantri ji ..RM-Haan, kuch gadbad toh hai..HAL- toh sudharo..RM- Jao 2025 mein ana aur suno kuch improve kar lena tab ana ge model dikhane mat bulana...
     
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    LUH in ground trials

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  6. The Drdo Guy

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    What is the future of LUH since we are making ka226 in India ??
     
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    Since the very beginning, the forces had a requirement for 197 foreign LUHs and 187 indigenous ones. I believe such an arrangement was
    made keeping in mind the time HAL takes to develop a new chopper. It was probably thought that while HAL develops it's helo, the forces can
    start filling up the numbers with foreign choppers and begin the replacement process for Cheetah/Chetak types.

    All that went to shit as the foreign LUH tender kept cancelling and re-starting. Finally we decided for a Govt-to-Govt deal with Russia, hoping for a mutually beneficial deal in producing large numbers of Ka-226 in India both for our own needs & possible third-party exports.

    So far, an assured market of upto 200 'Sergei' helos has been projected in India, which is in line with the original requirement for foreign helos (197). In that sense, HAL can still grab the orders for remaining 187. But exactly how sensible is it to operate two different types of helos for performing the same basic roles? It remains to be seen what IAF/AAC will do. The Kamov is a twin-engine helo while LUH is single-engine, so it's not like they are exactly the same. That aspect can work in HAL's favour.

    As of now, I am confident (to be frank, just very hopeful) that the HAL LUH will get that order for 187 units. Problem appears to be that it does not take much to convince the leadership that it might be more economical to just buy like ~400 Kamovs.
     
  8. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We need 1000+ helicopters for military needs and an equal number for civilian needs over the next decade. We have signed only for 200+ helicopters with Russia, which can eventually increase to 400+.

    But apart from Ka-226, we need LUH and another light helicopter, most likely Airbus will deliver the third helicopter.
     
  9. The Drdo Guy

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    Yes, we are not that rich to operate two different helos of same class.Its kind of foolhardy but since no one muttered a single word about this deal and the fate of LUH there must be something which is economical and objectively correct.
     
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    It's not expensive to operate light helicopters. And we will be ordering enough of each type. So we won't have problems with spares.

    Ka-226 has superior high altitude performance because of two engines, while Fennec and LUH can be used everywhere else, the other two are single engine.
     
  11. The Drdo Guy

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    1000+ LUH. What for ? 400 are more than enough of which 200 kamov and 200 LUH. We need choppers and that too in numbers but not of the same type. Even every armed force wants to have a few chopper of different different type. For commercial use yes we have the potential but certainly a military chopper can't do the job. Ka226 will be just another Assembel in India like we do with most of Russian equipment and HAL has to gain very little to nothing from this. Include paramilitary and BSF and other special forces too even then we don't need 1000+ LUH.
     
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    The requirements are set to increase for light helicopters. All the paramilitary forces, even state police forces. As budgets increase, so do requirements. So it's not just the armed forces.
     
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    Such as Russian and French Fighters.
     
  15. The Drdo Guy

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    We have american planes too. C17/super hercules/Tejas engine/ Apache and chinook choppers. We just don't have american fighter planes which require us to sign so many agreements and inexchange we loose our autonomy. Why america never want to share the cake. The reason for diverse airforce equipment is that we don't have a strong industrial base in India and HAL after so many years of its establishment has done nothing has developed nothing.
     

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