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Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by TSUNAMI, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. The Drdo Guy

    The Drdo Guy Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What you said is right but you just miss the time line of your future plan. Our dream budget of say .$100 billion will be around 2030 and by then Technology will be upgraded.
     
  2. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    HAL rolls out HTT-40 aircraft prototype

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    Aircraft maker HAL has rolled out the first prototype of HTT-40 with plans to weaponize and optimise the trainer plane.
    Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40) is a tandem seat trainer aircraft being developed at HAL for the first stage training of rookie pilots.
    recently from the equipping facility at Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) hangar through a remotely operated minicar, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) said.
    HAL Chairman and Managing Director T Suvarna Raju said the project has managed to steer through the initial headwinds and now is going full throttle.
    “There are plans to weaponize and optimize HTT-40 aircraft,” he added.
    The plane is now ready for undertaking ground runs and taxi trials to be followed by its maiden flight, HAL said in a release.
    The HTT-40 design was adapted to a final decision on engine selection in May 2015 and the first prototype manufacturing has been completed followed by this roll-out, it said.
    In November 2015, the Indian Air Force had issued task directive for the design and development of HTT-40.
    ARDC also touts HTT-40 as the first-ever prototype to be manufactured completely based on a digital mock-up and also by using laser-tracked jigs and metal tooling at proto phase itself.

    HAL rolls out HTT-40 aircraft prototype
     
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  3. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Hey take your French - English - American shadow boxing to members thread what HAL thread has to do with your street fight

    @Mods please take up
     
  4. sam2012

    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Six years after a fatal crash of the second prototype aircraft, the Saras light civil aircraft programme could be headed for closure if sources are to be believed. After several stops and starts, it is likely that the prototypes may still fly, though the future of the project is almost definitely sealed. After a six-year grounding following a devastating March 2009 crash that killed its three-man IAF test crew, the National Aerospace Laboratory, in coordination with the IAF’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) have failed to muster enough confidence to put the aircraft back in the air.
    As reported earlier by SP’s, the ASTE had begun ground trials of the modified PT1N platform around December last 2013, and has undergone a rigorous routine of ground handling, turning and taxi trials, including static systems trials. Former NAL chief and aerospace guru Prof. Roddam Narasimha recently spoke out about the various programmes, and said that the proposed the Regional Transport Aircraft (RTA) could spearhead a much needed new wave in Indian capabilities alongside the Saras.
    “It should be a turbo-prop aircraft, executed in a public-Private Partnership (PPP) mode, preferably as part of a global consortium, and should be viewed as a common “civil-military” platform that would also address the transport aircraft needs of the Indian Air Force in terms of the Avro and AN-32 replacements, thus generating the numbers and associated economic viability needed to make it successful,” he said. The Saras technologies, however, could be infused into other programmes including the regional transport aircraft and national civil aircraft.

    SARAS BYE BYE

    Saras Headed For Project Cancellation?
     
  5. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Well I know I am lighting fire under a few asses ( backsides )

    But seems that HAL is on a roll

    Tejas coming along nicely

    Tejas mk1a on full throttle

    Nlca going for additional skiramp trials at Goa

    HTT 36 entering trials & certification phase

    HTT 40 entering flight trials

    HAL 25 kn engine coming along nicely

    Lch close to obtaining IOC and entering weaponisation phase
     
  6. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Oops

    Forgot

    HAL is targeting 2016 for operational clearance for basic version of luh

    And

    Has also started htse 1200 programme - for heli engines - yes Indian and HAL designed and mfgd
     
  7. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    It's not HAL but only it's head which will roll. The way in which they treat the development of defence-critical equipment for the military, is criminal in nature. They will pay very soon and very dearly. In the next 20 years, HAL runs the risk of being entirely dissolved owing to competition from private industry and failure to deliver products on time, within budget.

    ...except it's a few decades late.

    If they feel they need more data for evaluation, they will conduct more trials. What's great about that?

    The HJT-36 fits into the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) category, which in my opinion should be erased altogether. A more traditional and
    internationally-accepted 3-Tier training program, which consists of :

    Stage-I : Basic Turboprop Trainer (BTT); Pilatus PC-7A Mk.II
    Stage-II : Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT); BAE Hawk Mk.132
    Stage-III : Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT); possibly based on Tejas Mk.I Operational Conversion Trainer (OCT) variant

    This is how fighter pilots are trained across the world. Sooner or later you can safely expect IAF to follow suit. It just makes a lot of sense.

    ...except that no one wants it. IAF's BTT requirement has already been fulfilled by PC-7 and as far as Indian military is concerned, HTT-40 has no market. If they plan to export it, fine. But one needs to question why they're wasting time & money on developing projects which no one wants instead of allocating resources to more pressing needs like LCA?
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    LOL. If they manage to get it off the ground this year as planned without any delays, I'll be content.

    IOC toh dhoor ki baat hai.

    Another project that comes atleast a decade late. They should have started a turboshaft engine project (like Kaveri) at the same time or before the ALH was being test-flown with French motors. They made a good decision to go for license-building Turbomeca Ardiden family for ALH, LCH which allowed the full-scale production of Dhruv to take place without any core problems and is also allowing for the speedy development & trials of the LCH.

    However the HTSE comes too late...by the time it can be ready to be manufactured on full scale, the ALH requirement for all services might as well be near-fulfillment and a good number of LCHs would also be inducted, along with LUH with the new Shakti-1U turboshaft (20% higher power than earlier Shakti-1H1 on Dhruv, LCH).

    If you're gonna bring up IMRH...forget it.
     
  9. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Any proper pic of LUH?
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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  11. surya kiran

    surya kiran 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @Gessler There is a possibility IN will go in for those trainers. There is also a possibility of the Army Aviation chaps getting light aircraft for recon. The IAF is not the sole customer.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    When a requirement comes up, IN will most certainly stick with the same kind of aircraft as the IAF wherever possible. It's a good way to keep commonality which helps in procuring spares and support for the aircraft, also keeping costs to a minimum. IN knows this very well. In the same way how IAF orders for the BAE Hawk prompted the IN to also order the same plane.

    Going for HTT-40 when IAF has already inducted the PC7 makes no practical sense.
     
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    HTT First flight 31.05.2016:award:

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    Bengaluru, May 31: The home-grown Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA) from the hangars of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) had its first flight in Bengaluru today.The Hindustan Turbo Trainer (HTT-40) was piloted by Group Capt Subramaniam (Retd), Chief Test Pilot, HAL. According to sources, the flight lasted for about 30 minutes.

    Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/hal-built-htt-40-first-flight-successful-2114270.html


    https://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2016/05/propelled-by-youngsters-htt40-takes-off.html
     
  14. R!CK

    R!CK 2nd Lieutant Technical Analyst

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    The Ecuador government plans to return advanced light helicopters ‘Dhruv’ to Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) once a court case involving the two sides is settled, in a long-running issue over performance of the chopper.

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    Confirming this move by the South American country, a top HAL official and diplomatic sources confirmed to FE that there are plans to sell off the helicopters, but since the contract between Ecuador and HAL is still in place, the machines cannot be sold off. Also, legal proceedings are going on, and so, no sales can happen.

    Admitting that HAL could not provide proper product support, and reasoning that the first option of sales is and should be HAL, a top official told FE: “We have appealed to the government of that country and our lawyers are in discussions as no unilateral sale can be made.”

    Even though in an effort to improve relations with Ecuador vis-a-vis the ‘Dhruv’ helicopters, HAL CMD T Suvarna Raju had confirmed that “HAL has offered to service three helicopters free of cost which are not in use in Ecuador”.

    There have been hectic rounds of discussions between the two sides, and the ministry of external affairs (MEA) had to step in after the South American country unilaterally cancelled the contract.

    Earlier this year, Ecuador had terminated the contract when it lost more than half of its fleet (four out of seven helicopters) in crashes and blamed it on their poor quality.

    While the HAL had insisted then that the helicopters were safe, it was earlier this year that former MoS for defence Rao Inderjit Singh, in response to a question in Parliament, had said India had acted on the complaint notice it had received from Quito (Ecuador capital) and also launched a probe.

    According to a senior government official, “since India is keen on expanding its footprint in the LatAm region, it had also reached out to the government of that country offering to train its pilots”.

    The offer was made to Ecuador as the country had lost 22 commandos in a major crash which reportedly occurred due to human error.

    Since 2002, 14 military and two civilian Dhruv helicopters have met with accidents, out of which 11 took place in India and five abroad. Of these 16 accidents, 12 occurred due to human error and environmental factors while four others took place due to technical reasons.

    http://www.financialexpress.com/economy/hindustan-aeronautics-dhruv-helicopter-row-ecuador-plans-to-return-choppers/453073/
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    Here's a validation to what I had posted in the past and a good answer to all the critics of ALH Dhruv program. How many people can actually disagree that 4 technical crashes against over 200 units in service is not exactly a poor safety record?


    Good day!
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Problem is more basic then just the manufacture of the helicopter, its India low rate of productivity it may take 8 times as many people to manufacture a piece of equipment that goes into a complex helicopter or air craft as in the USA, and with that many people involved quality control is lacking. A government organization like HAL is riddle with corruption, cronyism, incompentence and feather bedding. India uses two engines even for helicopters because they know they cant depend on one engine.
     
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