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HAL Indian Multirole Helicopter (IMRH)

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Agent_47, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Well....
    We have it in service....

    A lot of Arihant comes from Russia and Russian Subs...Akash is based on 2K12 Kub which we had ordered from USSR and still use...A lot of our Artillery Guns are based (or take help from) on earlier foreign platforms we had in service....Eg. Dhanush...We have many systems based on foreign weapons we used... It's Natural....Like The first post war American ballistic Missiles were based on the German V2's

    It would be natural for a company to learn from existing platforms in service to help them in their maiden endeavour..... Especially when their product is supposed to replace it....
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    [​IMG]
    New Design....

    This one definitely looks very different....It looks more Mi'ish...

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    Old Design...


    The old design ( the one above) looked like an elongated ALH...
    :lol:
     
  3. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    For design you need blueprint. Which we don't have unlike the others you mentioned. You can't design something because you have similar thing. Otherwise PAF will have thousands of F16 blk 52
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    Nah, HAL's design philosphy is more rooted in the West, they don't rip off Russian design elements really. Look at the HAL partners, most of them are European.

    The above image really looks like a hybrid between an ALH and the Airbus Puma.
     
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    Looks more like the Puma really:

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    The high tail beam isn't very Mi'ish.
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    Perfectly logical conclusions but this analysis entirely ignores HAL's history. The ALH was designed without Russian input (was mostly from Germany) and HAL's design philosphy has followed from there- the LUH and LCH are both ALH derivatives. One can but assume the ALH/LCH/LUH experience will have a great impact on the proposed IMRH and by extension will be modelled mostly on an European/Western ethos.

    If the ALH had been a Russian design deriviative then I would have agreed with you but this isn't how ir worked out.
     
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    Good observation skill :neo:
     
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    Another red herring from HAL!
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    How so?

    And on the balance of things (ALH, LCH, LUH etc) HAL have a pretty impressive track record, I wouldn't term the IMRH as a "red herring" but the natural evolution of their product line. Their rotary wing development wing are yet to produce a failure .
     
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    The navy had a requirement for helicopters yesterday, fitting this class. Now they wake up! As usual, last minute to spoil any deal.
     
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    Hmmm .... will have too agree with @Hellfire

    They did the same for the BTT, Though the PC7 was chosen, MoD (forced) split the requirement with the HTT40. Possible we can see the same with this :( ( HOPE NOT)
     
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    My favorite
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    Very true and it is for this reason HAL will not get any NMRH orders from the IN, they will go entirely for the H225M and S-70B. The IMRH will have a sizeable market in India with the IAF though; from 2030 there will be >200 Mi-17 V5s requiring replacement and the IA has a seperate requirement for aroud 150-200 medium class helos. The IMRH will be a huge success, I'm not too bothered about it not being ordered for the IN- the H225M is an awesome machine and the Airbus-Mahindra JV will being tech and jobs to India and will help in further developing India's aerospace industry and ecosystem. Even if the IMRH had been developed by now it would still be a HAL product, by delaying the IMRH HAL have actually allowed a private sector competitor to emerge which will be good for India in the long term.

    For some reason the IN and HAL's rotary wing don't have particuarly close ties, all of HAL's helos are designed with the IA and IAF in mind (ALH, LCH, LUH) , they don't really pay much attention to the IN's needs- as evidenced by the N-ALH.
     
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    My 'red herring' quip was over the fact that the nexus between DRDO and vested interests in MoD will try and scuttle the deal for IN with this. S-3s which came with Jalashwa are barely airworthy (spares being an issue) and Sea King is severely limited in role due to ageing and limited capabilities (for today's world)
     
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