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HAL Indian Multirole Helicopter (IMRH)

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Agent_47, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Where do we get the engines from ?

    I say we have 3 AW101, each with 3 Rolls-Royce Turbomeca RTM322, means atleast 9 engines.

    Why not try and copy it?

    Its almost twice as power ful as the Shakti Engine.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Reverse Engineering is not that simple....It takes a lot of patience...And political will....


    Anyway....I have high hopes from the HTSE 1200....

    All the best to these guys...
     
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  3. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We can always licence produce US and EU engines. (GE T700, Turbom├ęca Makila 2A1).
    In long term, We should certify HTSE-1200 core and make an uprated one gradually.
    We are not china, reverse engineering is not an option.
     
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    Punit Shukla 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Power plant ? Useful load 3500 kg? Mi-17 has better payload and range
     
  5. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    The KUH-1 is NOT the H225M, it is more of an updated Puma.


    I don't really buy that the IN and IA are backing the IMRH and the IAF are not- that is typical Indian media reporting.

    The IA makes sense but the IMRH really doesn't fit the IN's immediate requirements, both the IA and IAF can afford to wait for the IMRH, the IN cannot and is looking already for a foreign product. Look at the package Airbus have offered to the ICG for their H225Ms- this is not going to go unnoticed by the IN, the IN effectively runs the ICG (to a lesser and lesser degree these days though), that the H225M was selected speaks volumes for the direction the IN is going.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Mi-17-V5 has marignally better load capacity and by all accounts the IMRH will have superior high-altitude performance allowing for greater useable carrying performance in the extremes.

    But anyway, these are just paper specs, the real thing may outperform expectations as has happened with HAL products in the past.
     
  7. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    S-70/UH-60 is a great platform....but it's form factor limits it's people-carrying capacity. The Puma/Cougar/Caracal, S-92, Mi-8/17 have much longer useful space in their fuselages...as will the IMRH.
     
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    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    By looking at it one can see lot of wasted space /inefficient designed tail part etc.
    But its a beauty none the less.
    And its robust and war proven
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    - Prasun K. Sengupta

    Personally, I believe that by 2025, we'll be having 3 realistic options for choosing an engine for the IMRH.

    Klimov VK-2500
    Turbomeca Ardiden-3 or a Shakti version of the same
    HAL HTSE-1200

    I think we'll be needing nothing less than a 1500-2000 shp power output per engine for a chopper this size. I think HTSE should be able to deliver.

    @Abingdonboy @Agent_47 @PARIKRAMA

    Also, I hope HAL at least has something like the BERP rotor blades in the works...the model doesn't indicate any.

    [​IMG]

    Can anyone confirm if we'll be seeing a physical mock-up of the IMRH at AeroIndia? Like the old LUH models?

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    HTSE-1200 would be my bet/preferance, follwoed by the Turbomeca Ardiden-3.


    + AFAIK there will be LUH model shown, if not LUH TD-1
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We are too depended on french engine anyway. Ka-226,LCH,LUH,Dhruv and possibly airbus panther/H225M.

    IDRW is the source, not a reliable one.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Nothing wrong with that, France is one of the few nations India can rely on no matter what- Russia is not.
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    They will make the Basic Unarmed Version Frist....That itself will take some 10-15 Years....

    Only then Will They will think about Armed Versions and Naval Versions....


    It has a verrrrrrrrrrry verrrrrrrrrrry long way to go....There might as well be future challenges and changes in requirements....And definitely many more delays to come.....Let the Engineers make one first...And see how it is...And what exactly it is capable of....


    Talking about possible variants now....Is pointless....
     
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    They made the LUH in a short time & are planning to get it certified by 2018 end.
     

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