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Have issued detailed instructions for deportation of Rohingya Muslims, government says

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    Here entire meme on What Modi said vs What he meant ft. Hamid Ansari
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    May I suggest killing these useless sacks of crap Rohingyas and harvesting their organs? They will be of some use that way.
     
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    Why Rohingya Muslims need to be deported from India
    Monday, September 04, 2017 By: Daily O Source Link: CLICK HERE
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    In the early hours of August 25, around 150 men armed with machetes, bombs and other weapons launched coordinated attacks on 24 police camps and an army base in Myanmar’s Rakhine state. The night left 71 dead. It also announced to the world the coming of age of the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, a terror outfit led by Ata Ullah, a Rohingya man born in Karachi and brought up in Mecca.

    But that is not the insurgency’s only Pakistan connection. Burmese, Bangladeshi and Indian intelligence agencies have found Pakistan’s terror groups hiring Rohingyas from Bangladesh’s refugee camps, training and arming them. Groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba are already out shopping.

    In this backdrop, it is not just wise but urgent for India to deport 40,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees whom it has identified as illegal immigrants. There is a clear and present social, economic and security danger. And if India does not set down the rules of the game right now, it will be difficult to argue against and stop influx later.

    The Rohingya conflict is undeniably a massive humanitarian disaster. But such disasters are best addressed locally — putting international pressure, working with the government there, sending shiploads of aid. But you do not solve a crisis by importing it. Ask Europe.

    India is among nations worst affected by Islamic terrorism. It has its serious demographic challenges. Thousands of Rohingya refugees, most of them settled in Jammu and Kashmir where already Islamist separatism is raging, are a people ripe for terror hiring and indoctrination.

    Rohingya groups have been engaged in armed militancy since the 1940s with the aim of seceding from Myanmar and creating an Islamist state.

    In her, The Diplomat piece ‘The Truth About Myanmar’s Rohingya Issue’, Jasmine Chia argues: “In even a cursory survey of Rohingya history, it is clear that the Rohingya are not an ethnic, but rather a political construction. There is evidence that Muslims have been living in Rakhine state (at the time under the Arakan kingdom) since the 9th century, but a significant number of Muslims from across the Bay of Bengal (at the time a part of India, now Bangladesh) immigrated to British Burma with the colonialists in the 20th century.”

    They are, she argues, Muslims of Bengali ethnic origin. “The group referred to as “Rohingya” by contemporary Rohingya scholars (and most of the international community) today actually display huge diversity of ethnic origins and social backgrounds, and… existence of a 'single identity' is difficult to pinpoint.”

    Chia quotes Rakhine history expert Jacques P Leider from Rohingya: The Name, The Movement, The Quest for Identity. “By narrowing the debate on the Rohingyas to the legal and humanitarian aspects, editorialists around the world have taken an easy approach towards a complicated issue… where issues like ethnicity, history, and cultural identity are key ingredients of legitimacy.”

    Nuances of the ethnicity debate apart, India’s more immediate concern is an outpour of sympathy among mostly Left-leaning intellectuals and a section of Muslims towards Rohingya refugees and a legal challenge by lawyer-politician Prashant Bhushan to its decision to deport them.

    Bhushan has argued that Rohingya refugees are Constitutionally protected. Right to equality (Article 14), life and personal liberty (Article 21) is available to everybody who “lives in India” irrespective of his being a citizen or non-citizen or refugees.

    Those challenging deportation also argue that India may not have signed UN Refugee Convention, but the agreement has become a customary international law and all countries have to follow it. Under it, there is a principle of "Non-Refoulement" which prohibits the deportation of refugees to a country where they face threat to their life or persecution. Also, that UNHCR has recognised Rohingyas and given them refugee status and so they cannot be deported.

    However, India can lean on the "Foreigners Act", which vests absolute and unfettered discretion in the Union government to expel foreigners, especially those residing illegally without valid papers. Legal experts who support deportation argue that the Supreme Court in "Hans Muller of Nuremburg vs Superintendent, Presidency" gave “absolute and unfettered” power to the government to throw out foreigners. It was again upheld by the SC in "Mr Louis De Raedt & Ors vs Union of India".

    Also, India is not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention and not bound by it. Minister of state for home Kiren Rijiju said in Parliament on August 9 that according to available data, more than 14,000 Rohingyas, registered with the UNHCR, were staying in India. Since India is not a signatory to UIN Refugee convention, India considers UNHCR as only a private body. So the legal status of this 14,000 is also questionable.

    And finally, threat to the security, sovereignty, and integrity of India is good ground under the Foreigners Act to deport them. No one argues against humanitarian aid and diplomatic intervention, but bringing a simmering insurgency home is an open invitation to our rogue neighbour in the west to come and play.
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/Why-Rohingya-Muslims-need-to-be-deported-from-India-303708
     
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    Also illegal Bangladeshis and all other illegals need to be kicked out.
     
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    Rohingya with help of NGOs are moving court to stop deportation...

    SC to hear Rohingya plea next week


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    New Delhi, Sept. 4: The Supreme Court today refrained from staying a purported central move to deport an estimated 40,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees from Myanmar, where they apprehend persecution by the Buddhist-dominated government, but agreed to consider on September 11 whether the government can send them back through an executive order.

    Additional solicitor-general Tushar Mehta, appearing for the Union government, refused to make any statement on whether the Centre intended to deport them immediately.

    "I am not making any statement in this regard," Mehta said after advocate Prashant Bhushan, appearing for some of the refugees, sought a stay on the deportations until the court decided the matter.

    A bench of Chief Justice Dipak Misra and Justices A.M. Khanwilkar and D.Y. Chandrachud, while declining to stay the reported move, agreed to hear the matter next week.

    The court was dealing with a petition by two Rohingya refugees, Mohammad Salimullah and Mohammad Shaqir, apprehending deportation of such settlers. They cited media reports last month on a statement by junior home minister Kiren Rijiju in Parliament that the Centre had directed states to identify and deport such "illegal" immigrants.

    Settled mostly in Jammu, Hyderabad, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Delhi-NCR and Rajasthan, the refugees had fled to India after an earlier spate of violence. A fresh Rohingya exodus has begun in recent weeks after Myanmar's offensives following attacks on its security forces.

    In the apex court, the two petitioners have sought protection against deportation under Article 14 (equality), Article 21 (right to life and liberty) and Article 51(c) (fostering respect for international law) of the Indian Constitution.

    The petitioners said they had been registered by the UNHCR, the UN refugee agency, in India last year and granted refugee I-cards. "...this proposed deportation is contrary to the constitutional protections of Article 14, Article 21 and Article 51(c) of the Constitution of India which provides equal rights and liberty to every 'person'," their petitioners said.

    Any such deportation will also be in contradiction with the principle of "non-refoulement", which has been widely recognised as a cornerstone of customary international law, the petitioners said. Non-refoulement is the practice of not forcing refugees or asylum seekers to return to a country where they may be persecuted.
    https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170905/jsp/nation/story_170903.jsp
     
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    SC to hear plea challenging decision to deport Rohingyas
    Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju had said in Parliament on August 9 that according to available data, more than 14,000 Rohingyas, registered with the UNHCR, were staying in India.

    By: PTI | New Delhi | Updated: September 1, 2017 12:59 pm
    [​IMG] The plea filed by two Rohingya immigrants that they were facing persecution in Myanmar and that the decision to send them back was in violation of various international conventions. (Amnesty International via AP)

    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...lenging-decision-to-deport-rohingyas-4823638/
     
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    This Government has come into power at an incredibly important and pivotal time. Either they send back all these illegals like Rohingyas and Bangladeshis, and intervene by whatever means necessary to set things straight in regions slowly turning into sanctuaries for radical Muslims like West Bengal and Kerala; or India will pay the price.
     
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    Why NDTV is always our exact opposite ?




    Rohingya want to increase population and take over India, then destroy Ram mandir and rebuild Babri masjid
     
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    Government can be stopped by Supreme Court, but RSS and Hindus can't be stopped by SC. Hindus should do something and drive them out. Lure them with jobs to a particular location and ... After the SC order BJP will feign powerlessness.
     
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    There's always a way. Wait until the BJP cements itself in 2019 and proceeds to have a majority in Rajya Sabha. I'm sure they'll find a way.
     
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    Why Rohingyas need to be deported
    Hosting over 14,000 refugees from the community will give Pakistan a chance to create trouble in India.

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    In the early hours of August 25, around 150 men armed with machetes, bombs and other weapons launched coordinated attacks on 24 police camps and an army base in Myanmar’s Rakhine state. The night left 71 dead. It also announced to the world the coming of age of the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army, a terror outfit led by Ata Ullah, a Rohingya man born in Karachi and brought up in Mecca.

    But that is not the insurgency’s only Pakistan connection. Burmese, Bangladeshi and Indian intelligence agencies have found Pakistan’s terror groups hiring Rohingyas from Bangladesh’s refugee camps, training and arming them. Groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba are already out shopping.

    In this backdrop, it is not just wise but urgent for India to deport 40,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees whom it has identified as illegal immigrants. There is a clear and present social, economic and security danger. And if India does not set down the rules of the game right now, it will be difficult to argue against and stop influx later.

    The Rohingya conflict is undeniably a massive humanitarian disaster. But such disasters are best addressed locally — putting international pressure, working with the government there, sending shiploads of aid. But you do not solve a crisis by importing it. Ask Europe.

    India is among nations worst affected by Islamic terrorism. It has its serious demographic challenges. Thousands of Rohingya refugees, most of them settled in Jammu and Kashmir where already Islamist separatism is raging, are a people ripe for terror hiring and indoctrination.

    Rohingya groups have been engaged in armed militancy since the 1940s with the aim of seceding from Myanmar and creating an Islamist state.

    In her, The Diplomat piece ‘The Truth About Myanmar’s Rohingya Issue’, Jasmine Chia argues: “In even a cursory survey of Rohingya history, it is clear that the Rohingya are not an ethnic, but rather a political construction. There is evidence that Muslims have been living in Rakhine state (at the time under the Arakan kingdom) since the 9th century, but a significant number of Muslims from across the Bay of Bengal (at the time a part of India, now Bangladesh) immigrated to British Burma with the colonialists in the 20th century.”

    They are, she argues, Muslims of Bengali ethnic origin. “The group referred to as “Rohingya” by contemporary Rohingya scholars (and most of the international community) today actually display huge diversity of ethnic origins and social backgrounds, and… existence of a 'single identity' is difficult to pinpoint.”

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    Chia quotes Rakhine history expert Jacques P Leider from Rohingya: The Name, The Movement, The Quest for Identity. “By narrowing the debate on the Rohingyas to the legal and humanitarian aspects, editorialists around the world have taken an easy approach towards a complicated issue… where issues like ethnicity, history, and cultural identity are key ingredients of legitimacy.”

    Nuances of the ethnicity debate apart, India’s more immediate concern is an outpour of sympathy among mostly Left-leaning intellectuals and a section of Muslims towards Rohingya refugees and a legal challenge by lawyer-politician Prashant Bhushan to its decision to deport them.

    Bhushan has argued that Rohingya refugees are Constitutionally protected. Right to equality (Article 14), life and personal liberty (Article 21) is available to everybody who “lives in India” irrespective of his being a citizen or non-citizen or refugees.

    Those challenging deportation also argue that India may not have signed UN Refugee Convention, but the agreement has become a customary international law and all countries have to follow it. Under it, there is a principle of "Non-Refoulement" which prohibits the deportation of refugees to a country where they face threat to their life or persecution. Also, that UNHCR has recognised Rohingyas and given them refugee status and so they cannot be deported.

    However, India can lean on the "Foreigners Act", which vests absolute and unfettered discretion in the Union government to expel foreigners, especially those residing illegally without valid papers. Legal experts who support deportation argue that the Supreme Court in "Hans Muller of Nuremburg vs Superintendent, Presidency" gave “absolute and unfettered” power to the government to throw out foreigners. It was again upheld by the SC in "Mr Louis De Raedt & Ors vs Union of India".

    Also, India is not a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention and not bound by it. Minister of state for home Kiren Rijiju said in Parliament on August 9 that according to available data, more than 14,000 Rohingyas, registered with the UNHCR, were staying in India. Since India is not a signatory to UIN Refugee convention, India considers UNHCR as only a private body. So the legal status of this 14,000 is also questionable.

    And finally, threat to the security, sovereignty, and integrity of India is good ground under the Foreigners Act to deport them. No one argues against humanitarian aid and diplomatic intervention, but bringing a simmering insurgency home is an open invitation to our rogue neighbour in the west to come and play.
     
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    it seems BJP's goal is to be in power not Hindutwa... BJP blundered on demonetization, India's economic growth is down... all will be forgiven if Rohingya are thrown out... But...
    If BJP fails to do something, Hindus will shift to another Hindu party like Shivsena.
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    MNS leader threatens Pakistani actors: Get out in 48 hours, or we will push you out
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...we-will-push-you-out/articleshow/54476749.cms

    MNS and Shivsena are better than Modi... BJP is turning out to be another congress
     
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    Cmon man. Getting them deported to bdesh is fine. I am afraid if we cross this line once, Foremost, they are pitiful and trying just to live. Second they could be deported to bdesh.

    An extra 40000 who doesn't have a home can be sheltered. we have 20 million bdeshis who have a country. Lets deport them.

    This is penny wise, pound foolish.
    These pennies can just be given a fair deal and they will be thankful.
     
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    Unless you are a Hindu Maratha, you would be stupid to back Shiv Sena. Their enemy changes every day, and once they're through with Muslims, they'll move on to Biharis, Gujaratis, South Indians etc.

    As for MNS, I see them as a valuable tool for BJP once they grow a little, to weaken Shiv Sena by cutting into their voteshare and put the idiots in their place; but beyond that MNS has no use or future, and even Marathis haven't given them much support.

    And neither Shiv Sena nor MNS has any scope or future outside of their state. BJP is as right wing of a national government as you can get. And I am quite happy with what they're doing.
     
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