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Hi Indians, you are wrong on some points towards China

Discussion in 'The Big Adda' started by samzhang2014, Aug 16, 2014.

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  1. samzhang2014

    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Hi Indians, Good morning:

    Recently I know the forum of Santaihu, and often view topics here.

    Usually, I pay much attention on your comments, and find some points are very interesting, so I think I should make some explanations to you for your points:

    1. Democracy:

    Indians and some western people are very proud of their democracy, I appreciate it. But why they trash China as an autocracy

    Country. I feel very strange, have they come to China ever? Have they lived in China more than 1 year??? It seems according to their points, we Chinese are living in a cage, and we cannot say anything, will be arrested by police and killed like a dog. I wonder whether those people have too much drug. They are imaging what a hell China like? Or your Medias just describe China as that? If so, I feel very angry about it, it is North Korea, not China!


    We are not the so called democracy country in your mouth, really, we admit. But we really have our freedom, even more than yours. Can I ask that Western's democracy is perfect to your culture to your Country to your society? Why do you worship western so much?

    Because they just ruled you before? Because they are richer than you? They are your real brother? Are you sure you are not profit-relationship?

    Both India and China have several thousand histories, if you accept western democracy completely, how will you dispose your traditional culture? How can you have your features? Western can affect your politics, economy very easily!

    They just affect your people to protest if the benefit is not suitable for them.


    Democracy is good, but it may not be suitable for you completely, American, British like using democracy as a weapon to make you surrender, facing this situation, how will you do? Just surrender?

    And are you really a democracy country? Why you have Indian Caste System?

    Is it another democracy? As your worshiped country—America, they says they are a democracy country while others are not, what about the discrimination on colored people? What about abuse of prisoners?

    Why do you think carefully using your brain?

    2. Somebody calls China as Thief. I do not want to find your education; it seems you do not have. We Chinese invent:

    1. Gunpowder

    2. Papermaking technology

    3. Compass

    4. Movable-type printing,

    it seems all the world are using these inventions. Are you thieves? We charged patents from you? You says Japanese laugh at us, do you know 20-30 years ago, Japanese are in the same position of us, they are laughed as a copier, bad products producer, how about now?

    Do you think you just have some very limited information then you can produce a rocket, a warship, a fighter? Why are you so naïve?

    Whenever we have an achievement, somebody just jumped and shouted: they were ours! Very funny! Do you know how we have nuclear weapon in 1960ths?

    Do you know how our scientists devoted their lives to this researching? Most of them live in a desert and pay all their lives to do researching without a name.

    When we had our first atomic bomb, we do not have big trucks, we used bullock-cart to do transporting, do you know it? Does your newspaper report it?


    3. For Chinese products, it is a main point you are attacking the most. You think all the Chinese products are rubbishes with perfectly poor quality... Can I ask you, we have very good quality products, also with reasonable prices comparing with European or American products, why your businessmen do not import? I am as an international businessman for 5 years? I got big headache with Indian businessmen, they just like low low low low price, nothing else requires,they are same grade with Africans, so please do not complain it again. 1 penny has 1 penny's value, it is no needs us to teach you. If you do not believe, you can buy Lenovo’s PC, Gree’s AC, Hair’s Washer, and then talk here.


    4. For military, I know you are very sad with the war 1962... Tell you the truth, we Chinese do not think it is a war, because 80% people do not know that war... I tell you why you failed in that war:

    From 1920th, Chinese Army has fought with Japanese, KMT (they are in Taiwan now) for 40 years since 1962. Our soldiers face death every day, they can use their bodies to face tanks, fighters, even Americans were afraid of this kind of Army in Korean War, what did you think who were you at that time? That army was the strongest in the world at that time, except the weapons.

    For now, it cannot compare, because now the soldiers do not like to lose lives in the war. But if being invaded, you can see the result of Vietnam...

    Some of you said Vietnam won in that war, if you found why Vietnam were so sensitive and angry as you, you can understand the result.


    5. For us and Japanese, you do not know why we heat Japanese so much. From 1000 years before, we had a very very very strong empire Called Tang, Japan likes Tang's culture, they sent emissaries to learn our cultures, economy, politics even the Chinese Characters, that is why Japan is very similar with China. They were our dependent country from Tang to Qing.

    In Qing dynasty, the government was crazy corrupt, and we were invaded by Europeans and Japanese. The failure will accept the punishment, we know it very much. But do you know what Japanese did in China? If you went to the real hell, you would know what they did.

    Why Koreans and Southeast Asian people hate Japanese? Because what they had done like beasts before, but they do not admit now. How we believe them?

    In an article, it says Japanese eat your people before, some of you do not believe. But we Chinese and Koreans believe, why? We have a lot of survivors

    to tell us must not forget that history! They killed people thousands of thousands at 1 time, they killed babies just born, the used bayonet through the babies and showed and took pictures, and they buried people alive thousands at 1 time. You may say it is made up by us, but most of those pictures were taken by them and founded in Japan! And some were taken by American godfather!

    I do not know why you forgot what British had done to you very easily; even some people said British brought civilizations to you. What a funny thing, when they raped you while brought some high feelings to you? What a word said by slave! We never believe them!!! They invaded us 100-200 years ago, treated us as slaves, and robbed our wealth to their museum! How many pressures, artworks are put in British Museum taken from India and China? Why don't they return to us? They will have a lot of “gangster logic”!!!

    How did East India Company treat with you, have your Indians forgot all???


    6. For Americans, I think you must know our feelings, nobody likes a man who thinks he has all the rights to manage your things as a world policeman. If you do not accept, they will send army to your County. And the famous double-standard policy! They are arrogant in their bones! We have 5000 years history, why we need to bear this arrogance? Do not you have your own pride?

    7. For democracy again, wake up buddies... We have freedom...Much more than Indians at least...Police cannot arrest anybody without law, some bad police did bad thing will be exposed by journalist at once. No publicly shooting....are you stupid???? Anybody who breaks the law will be punished at once, no matter who he is or his father is Minister, is General, or American Government or British Government ask you to release him!

    If you want to pursue American Democracy completely, please see: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt...They are good samples.

    America is richer and powerful, they want to keep the rich and powerful state, so you have to be poor and weak, understand?


    8. For Taiwang, please learn a little of China's modern history. Taiwang is our territory since in Ancient. When 1920-1949th, China was KMT’s government.
     
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    Their president is Jiangjieshi who was supported by America. They lost in the war from 1946-1949th, defeated by communism military led by Maozedong, and retreated to Taiwan. They never admitted they were lost, they hoped they could take it back again. It is so called Taiwan problem, caused by our internal war and America! Just like Kashmir problem caused by Soviet Union! Do you know how many weapons American gave to KMT? And KMT was lost at last, why? Because they were corrupt so much! At that time, the decided reason of winning of the war was not weapon, it was decided by people.You will find a lot of familiar things caused by Americians with the flag or human rights and Democracy, the difference is our country has some power, they can not split us easily. Some people will say People of Taiwan want to be independent, it is a Joke! If the people in Kashmir want to be independent, your government will allow?

    So it is the Taiwan problem. Since 100-200 years ago, Chinese suffered so much, so it makes our belief very strong, we never never never surrender! We insist of theory, western’s medias make up so many negative news about us, it seems they never report positive things of us. Most of their people never ever come to China, but it seems they know all the strange things. They take in and protect all the people betrayed our country, because they are good for their profit, can make negative news to China. If we take in Snowdon, what will they say? They will threat us by using many ways. It is real western, not known by you Indians. But I think so bright people of you can know it.

    10. For religions, there is no any (yes any) Countries in the world like China to treat with the religions. We admire all the religions, every religion are peacefully lived in China. If you are in religions, you will have a lot of special rights.

    Han nationality takes up about 80%, but the 20% national minorities have very good policies in education, economy, tax and every area... I want to be a minority if possible... Han nationality complains so much. Not so many countries take such good policy to their Minority. If Muslin countries have the same policy, I think there will be no wars between them. But how Western media publicize it?
    They will make up all kinds of lies, and they will only choose the good to them.

    11. Give you an advice, Indians, there is only profit between Countries, we do not believe each others, but we can cooperate. If you think you can believe America, that is good, just follow them... We will see the results in 30 years.

    12 At last, In China, many people like Indian Yoga, Music, Bollywood films. Chinese people never ever think you are our enemies. For the war 1962th,
    If you insist to believe what your politics said, we have no idea. If you want peace and cooperation, we can have a try. If you want to start a war really, O.K. We are waiting you. You said we did not have war for many years, our military do not know how to fight, Chinese people think so, we can use this good opportunity to test our military. It is not a threat. For 30 years, do you hear any shot from our boards?
    Or any deaths of our soldiers?

    13. For the Buddhism, it was transferred from India to China in Tang Dynasty.
    Buddhism is very important in China, it affects Chinese a lot. Now, I do not think it is same with Indian Buddhism now. Now most of Indian Buddhism books are translated from Chinese version, it is a magic. You created it, we developed it.

    I like Buddhism very much, it has a lot of sentence which will shock my soul.
    It will wash my soul. But I do not have to join any religion, because I have my freedom to join any religion. If a god cannot allow its believers to know about other religion, he is too narrow mind to be a god I think, like muslims… sorry for my flirty words…

    At last, tell you an experience of how we become strong now:

    Do not care other things, especially what western people said to you, just develop economics. If you are strong, you will have right to say something in international society.
    It is a general rule in the world. Now America says you are good, you are good.
    If they say you are rubbish, then you become rubbish.

    And please do not tell the up words to your politics…They will think me as a spy to wash your brain…
    Plus: do not give me so many dirty words, let me see Indians' education, you are a country with an ancient civilization for thousands years.
     
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    google is blocked dude i mean seriously google ?
     
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    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    We have 10000 methods to get on google, facebook twitter, dude. In our internet, we have cursed our governments on googles' closing, youtobe's clsoing too much. But in other sides, there are Overwhelming Nagtive News called theory on google and Youtobe, if a young man, will be affected like me before. Chinese people are not stupid, recently, we have a lot of complaints on the corrupt government people, we do not believe anything they said unless give us an action!
     
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    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    There are full of violence and pornographic on Youtobe and Google, how do you avoid your children to see?
    Open google and facebook is democracy, close is autarchy? There are a lot of lies written by Falungong people, do you know what is Falungong?
    A heresy asks people to follow them, when illed no need to cure, just sing their song, if governments forbids them, they will burn themselves or sucide to protest.
     
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    still it is not a reason to ban those websites... this wasnt convincing at all
     
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    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Chinese people just do not care, we just make some Scathing Mockery on internet, google is banned not means we do not know anything.
    Not means we only believe what government says, even not means we only believe what Western says.
     
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    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    If our governments can bring us good life--rich life with spirit, we will appove it no matter what it did.
    If it makes price run-up, corruptions, we have so many methods to expose our protest...
    When a public official is arrested because of corruption, but the news excuse for him, we will attack the news, attack the government website,
    if someone is arrested, he is hero, and people will give pressure to police to release him.
     
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    No shot at once, we are government by law society. But indeed, there is dark and Unspoken rule, because someone is vested interest group,
    they will use all kinds of ways to protect their profit. We will fight with them!
     
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    samzhang2014 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    what's more, we use Baidu. If you ask a Chinese to read articles in English, you can ask him to die.
     
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    Nihao sam, which city are you from?
     
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    We don't have any problem with China or Chinese. We also respect China for what she have achieved.

    But we have some problem with her tactics of land grab. It's true even if you try to negate it. Many terrorist organisations run on Chinese arms. Again, I can't help it if you say its a false information.

    Finally, Welcome to the forum!
     
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    First India or Indian don't have any problem with China or Chinese
    You point that India worship Western Countries is totally wrong and you should read history and read about who supported USA against Russia.
    India always stand with her friends
    We don't care what Western Countries will do or think if we oppose them.
    India's stand on WTO is a proof that India care about its citizen first than any other thing like China.
    I personally like China more than USA or any western country.
    Democracy is good for us and we are proud of it. Communist like China will not work for us.

    But i oppose China's behavior with most of its neighbors about land and sea. We want a good friendship with China (Because India-China-Russia is future of this world). But if China want to grab Arunachal Pradesh or Ladak area then keep dreaming and supporting Pakistan :cheers:
     
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    @samzhang2014 its not china or the Chinese people that we have a problem with ,
    its the Chinese government and their foreign policy that's the problem

    Even I want to come to china and see Beijing someday
    you better give me a tour :azn:
     
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