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Hindu Rashtra Explained

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Sid, Apr 18, 2011.

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  1. rcscwc

    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Bose for India's independence. Kashmiris seek to dintegrate India on religious grounds.



    Try to read them original Sanskrit texts, not the "inspired, distorted" translations. No translations can be faithful, even with the best of intentions. But in case of many translations, even intentions are suspect.

    Tell me again. Why not a Hindu rashtra? Why not when there 9is a chinese rashtra, burmese one, french and german, spanish and italian rashtras? When there are no national boundaries [and SG is swamped by islam] then I will reconsider.



    Matters the least. None of these schools concern themselves with anything except philosophy. And no such questions in future please.
     
  2. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Bose simply on the side which was against British. "Enemy's enemy is friend".
    This is your own seriously flowed conclusion. India has Achieved lot without Gandhi. People don't remember Aryabhatta whenever they write "zero" or "Pie" ! its not his fault or he is being less famous. same goes to "Sushruta" and many more.

    I will say it again, you are highly exaggerating Gandhi.

    Initial follower of Sidhhartha were not brahmins they weres Vaishya (merchants).
    The relation between Budhhism, Jainism, Sikhism are specialised in certain aspect/area of Hinduism , sort of like major in BA degree or major in final year of B.SC.

    When did I say that ? If you are concluding this because Hindutva would not allow it then you really need to educate yourself with Hindutva ideology.

    Same here, educate yourself with Hindutva. Radical ?? hindus don't teach its follower to kill non-Hindus to go to heaven.etc.

    India's Multiculturalism or "unity in diversity" is because of variation in culture, language and tradition with same life style (Hindu) including Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists, and not because of many religions such as Islam and Christianity.

    Aryans invasion theory ? You still believe that , Wow!Aryan invasion theory is bullcrap and came out of racist minds, read this
    GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE - By Michel Danino its authentic research concluded this,

    Be brave, Call spade a spade and give credit where it is due !
     
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  3. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    When people fight for freedom of their own country they are freedom fighters (Bose), and when people fight for some one else country's part to be their own then they are called Terrorist.
     
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    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    @ illuminati, I sow your posts, you accusing almost every one of not knowing History. I think its time to go back to "atmachintan" (sself-examination)
     
  5. rcscwc

    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    We are not starry eyed wrt Gandhi. Now we tend to have a harder look on him. Many of his policies definitely werev not exactly nationalistic. Many were positively anti Hindu and crassly appeasing of muslims.

    No Gandhi did not try to reason with Hitler. Bose was not interested in reasoning with Hitler. He had his agenda.


    You call religions non sense, but still want special identities for them!! Are you a schizophrenic?

    Arynan Invasion Theory? Haha. Dead and buried by about 1910m or so. Haha. Your sense of history!!


    Please keep thatv history with you.
     
  6. ManuSankar

    ManuSankar Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    What do you mean by Nationalistic,his policies were of tolerance that some of these Hindu nationalist does not understand. In a country like India with so much Ethnicities,tolerance is a must.All he wanted see was all Indians regardless of their religion live in peace and harmony in an independent India.

    Now a days people call it Indo-Aryan migration,believed to be happened between 2000-1500 BC.It is the most acceptable theory.
     
  7. RobbieS

    RobbieS 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The more the right wingers harp upon the Hindu Rasthra fantasy the more they will alienate the minorities and the deeper will be divisions in the country.

    I understand that the term Hindu had historically a much bigger and all encompassing definition than today's religious one, but one has to stick to contemporary definitions to tackle contemporary issues.
     
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    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Migration, yes, it came into vogue after INVASION failed to gain ground. Yet something had to be found to fit the preset notions. So MIGRATION got floated, though there is not much evidence for that even. If such a migration did happen, it must be so so distant in the past as to be totally irrelevant to anything.

    But migration from fertile plains having high populations to thpose of low density regions can be understood. Not the otherway around.

    But why is that only Hindus MUST understand everything? Why minorities cannot understand and reconcile?


    Alienation was set by muslim invasions. Hindus felt alienated. This sense of alienation was mitigated a bit during Britidsh rule.

    How can Hindus remove alienation of muslims? By accepting that Ghori, and Aurangzeb are HEROES? That Rana Prataps and Shivajis were traitors? Or by sending their women into the harems of muslims? How? Give a positive response.
     
  9. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ohh yeas thats why Pakistan was separated.


    You are living in 1920's, you are pretty good ignorant. I post this earlier as well but again now, this is for you and others who believe in Aryan invasion/migration theory,
    GENETICS AND THE ARYAN DEBATE By Michel Danino
    its concluding remark,
     
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    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    AMT is well founded as AIT ie no foundation at all. These AIT and AMT wallahs never had anything to do with sceintific truths.
     
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    First of all, by not raking up issues that Muslims of today are not responsible for. Don't view historical people by contemporary lenses. Ghouri was an invader but invasions were common in those days. And it wasn't like Hindu kingdoms lived in peace with each other before the Muslims invaded. Why do you have to give it a religious color? Everybody was busy killing and conquering in India. It was just that the invaders from the North-west were better at it. They just happened to be Muslims.

    And why do you want to rake up issues that occured 500 years ago? How far back do you want to go? Talking of Muslim invasions, are you also willing to rectify the wrongs caused by Hindu invasions over neighboring kingdoms or is this anger limited to Muslim invasions only? Should Bengalis ask for grievances from Marathas for their Bengal invasions?
     
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    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Hindu kingdoms did fight. But did they demolish temples, abduct women and took slaves? Why is Hindu Kush called so? Hindu killer. Hindus died while being driven to slavery in Afghanistan. Hindu Kush is the name till today.

    Gazanvi and Ghori demolished and plundered temples, Martathas did not. Two Gs took away slaves, who "happened" to be slaves.

    Such acts alienated Hindus for centuries. Why are shias not prepared to forget karbala massacre? Ever reasoned with them? Go and ask them to forget Because today's sunnins were not part of it.

    Don't dismiss Hindu holocaust by They just happened to be Hindus.

    Did Marathas destroy the temples of Kali and Durga in Bengal? Did they rape Bengali women and enslaved them?
     
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    RobbieS 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    A foreign invader would use all means to subjugate the native populations. Destruction and desecration of of religious places was one of the most used tactics. Alexander burned down Persian temples and places, not because he hated the Zoroastrian Gods but because he wanted to show who's the boss. So should the Persiand still be mad at the Greeks?

    And rape wasn't religion oriented. Hell, our own army men sometimes go rogue and indulge in such crimes in disturbed areas like Kashmir and NE. So why is it so hard to believe that the Marathas wont have done the same to the Bengali women?

    I understand that you are enraged at the thought of war-time atrocities. But that cant be used as an excuse for hatred against today's Muslims. Should I as a Sikh be mad at all Afghans because Abdali threw carcasses in the sarovar of the Darbar Sahib or used artillery to destroy the structure?
     
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    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    While islam and chritianity have grown steadily, the % of hinduism has stedily declined. BS thread written by a BS organization with lots of BS comments like the above. Go on like this and hinduism will be exterminated quite soon- that's the reality.
     
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    ManuSankar Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    The main reason of Muslim Invasion of subcontinent was political not spiritual,.India was the wealthiest land at that time.And temples were most wealthy entities, just like today.The main reason Temples were destroyed were because of the looting.They killed Hindus because they fought invaders quite ferociously.Truth about forced conversions are still unknown.Some say prisoners of war were asked to convert to Islam or be killed.It's more like swearing allegiance to conquerors,These were common practices those days.but it is widely accepted that Islam spreaded in India by Sufis not by Sword.
    But these happened thousands of years ago,you should try to forget the past and accept the realities of present.Hindu Rastra is a stupid ideology today.
    P.S:comparing holocaust to a medieval military invasion is stupid.
     
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