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Hindu Rashtra Explained

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by Sid, Apr 18, 2011.

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  1. illuminati

    illuminati Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Their arguments are extremely weak - it won't survive anyways.

    Look at the Pakistanis, the best example of a state formed by religious ideology. Only fools will want that kind of result.
     
  2. rcscwc

    rcscwc Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Illuminati, your posts on this thread are increasingly from xian POV. Leave India to Indians [you are not an Indian] and Hinduism to Hindus [you are not that].
     
  3. illuminati

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    I should listen to you because...? So, you are the infamous Bharat they speak about, are you? I understand that this is your egoistic manner of conceding defeat, if so, concession is accepted.
     
  4. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Aryabhatt a multi-Cultural Icon? What ,do you even know who was he, what he achieved? And you comparing him with Gandhi ?? what is wrong with you ? I was giving you a figure who is famous outside India.
    I will say this
    third time and final, Gandhi was not only who practice non-violence resistance, there were lots of people before him, google it. Yes Gandhi got popularities because his resistance against British at that time (British empire was superpower).

    I know everything you are talking about. Modern Hindutva has become more a practice except Pseudo-secularism. unfortunately most of Indian population have bigger problems to worry about than what Hinduism specifically says, but no matter what they don't forget the practising Hinduism. Indian people will always need faith and Hinduism is always better than any Abrahamic religions.


    :lol: Why do you think that you and I are on this forum !

    history doesn't agree with you. many scientist in Europe in 19's and 20' were born christens but religion did/couldn't stop them. Same here in Hinduism, except its not a religion.

    This logic was also one six of philosophical systems in Hinduism (ASTIKA Schools), known as Samkya. and Nastika schools were Buddhism, Jainism and Carvaka(materialism).
    Samkya denies existance of God and sees every think in more scientific view. you read it , it seems really different from modern science that is mainly because of its wording.

    Their is nothing is world or out side which is left out of Hindu philosophy, not even "Nothingness".

    P.S : Mate I have seen your posts, you simply don't like religions, But When there is a problem, one need to find a solution, ignoring problem or pretending not having it, is not the solution ! Ihope you get it.
    Cheers bye.
     
  5. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is the real problem with you guys, I said to Banglore as well, you are comparing Islam and Hinduism as same and concluding that Hindu India would be same Muslim Pakistan ! (that is in fact insult to Hinduism) That is illogical because we have seems Muslim countries failing, but never seen a Hindu country in modern times. In Ancient times, India were at its best (the golden ege), were at the top of the world during pure Hinduism. Same can repeated, that's why people like me faith/ a hope that Hinduism will bring that glory back in India. INSHA ALLAH :smile:
     
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  6. rcscwc

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    Illuminati, I know your problem. You do not like anything non xian. Yeah, your ID tells all. For you Aryabhatt is nothing. But then you are supported by many other xians. I am sure some of our sickularists will condemn him for his "divisive" astronomy and math.

    Pal, were his theories anti secularism?

    PS: It is infructous to compare him with Gandhi.
     
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  7. Observer

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    India is a country based on secularism. There is now no need for it to make a Hindu rastra. Once should know that India is a country with diverse in culture, creed, language, religion, belief etc. It wont be acceptable to many community. Just because 80% of people are Hindus that dosent mean it to be turned it to be a Hindu rastra. What about the other people. Wont they have any say to the land they were born, live and die.
    The very evident example is our neighboring country Pakistan. Where at the time of its forming was made it to an Islamic state. And was also said that the interest of its minority population will be protected. But now we all know the situation of its minority community. Many of the Hindus very threaten to convert to Islam and many were killed.
    Suppose if we think that India too is made a Hindu rastra. Then what is the guarantee that the state will be able to protect its minority population. There could always be a possibility of atrocities could be committed against minority. Specially in a country where there is always a tense relationship between the Hindus and Muslims and many others in different region due to various reasons.
    Therefore It is not advisable to make a country's core theme basis any particular religion.
     
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  8. Bang Galore

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    Which ancient times? Golden age? Gupta period? Was the caste system in vogue? If so, was it glorious to the people condemned to be at the bottom of the social ladder? Harking back to the brilliance of a handful of people is to admit that after them, there has never been enough people who continued that tradition. For over a 1000 years, Indians have not really contributed much to science when compared to other smaller nations of Europe especially your favourite country - Italy!

    Btw, Nepal was a Hindu country until recently. We all saw what happened there, didn't we?
     
  9. Rudrakx

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    Caste system was wrong at that time but is it just little invisible blot definitely far less than today ! it doesn't undermine the India's achievements. Similarly All Europeans were racists and blacks and browns were force to slavery that was equally or more unfair which must be condemned but that doesn't undermine their contribution to science, technology and democracy. Both civilizations couldn't get reed of this weed for long time and still not, but it is improving.

    Now see the best time of mughals/muslims, what the did in India and other palces, mass killing, force conversions, distroying local cultures, looting etc etc.

    PS: Your logic is same as those who opposed Anna hazare's Anti corruption agitation because its Anti-minority/dalit.
     
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  10. Bang Galore

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    Invisible blot? You must be joking. Caste was deeply ingrained & was enormously discriminative. You need to definitely read more. You actually believe that caste system is worse today? You have not the faintest idea of what you are talking about.

    Really silly analogy. You are comparing European discrimination of another race with upper caste discrimination of lower castes of the same religion? Nobody claims that blacks were a integral part of the system & they too should share & rejoice in the achievements of the whites. According to your analogy, there was no "Hindu" golden age, only a Brahminical one.


    Do you know why such small Muslim populations were able to subjugate much larger Hindu populations? That was because the for the vast majority of Hindus, tyranny was the way of life; all that changed was that upper class tyrants were replaced by Muslim tyrants. Largely made no difference to people used to suffering discrimination which was why they suffered it silently.

    Don't worry about my logic, worry about your understanding of history.
     
  11. Rudrakx

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    Yeas caste system is worse today, because not it just exist but some pseudo-secular opportunist using it as "divide and rule".


    First thing Hinduism is not a religion. You are are just a Hindu hater nothing more, that's why you are even justifying colour based racism and slavery were less worse that caste system.
    well slaves were converted to Christians as well, so technically its fair comparism that I made.



    Who is talking about how Hindus were defeated ? Mughals/muslims did not discriminated the simply killed others or converted !
    by the way you are right. Tyranny was why of life it was a mistake and We Hindus do not want to make same mistake again and that's why a united Hindu nation govern by democracy is needed.
     
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  12. ManuSankar

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    Do you know how caste system become worse today,In early days caste was supposed to be earned by merit rather than inherited.Some where caste system became rigid and people start to inherit it.Over thousands of years With many occupational groups practicing endogamy within a particular region, as well as numerous sub-divisions within the four main castes, a more complex system of subcastes and jātis begin to evolve.Now because of the different economic status in the jātis,it became a burden on the society.

    'Hinduism' is a term for a wide variety of related religious traditions native to India.At least that is it was supposed to be.But after arrival of Islam,Islamic rulers in India were The Islamic rulers were pressing public to convert religion from Hindu to Islam.That's how Bhakti movement started to save Hinduism in India.. The movement was spontaneous and the various mystics had their own version of devotional expression. Unlike in the South, where devotion was centered on both Shiva and Vishnu (in all his forms), the Northern devotional movement was centered on Rama and Krishna, both of whom are considered incarnations of Vishnu.It was initially considered unorthodox, as it rebelled against caste distinctions and disregarded Brahmanic rituals, which according to Bhakti saints were not necessary for salvation.This caused immense popularity in people and even got
    patronage from Hindu kings.
    In the colonial times there was emergence of Hindu reform movements ,partly inspired by western culture, such as spiritism.
    Movements like this made Hindu Religion as we see today.Before the arrival of Abrahamic religions there was no Hindu religion.

    If Muslim rulers simply killed and converted Hindus,how come there were Hindu's left in the Mughal Empire.After all they ruled 300 years.

    India is too big and ethnically too diverse,it will not support Religious Nation Ideology.
     
  13. Bang Galore

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    Silly. Caste system itself was about divide & rule.

    Don't require your certificate. You can keep those to yourself. You only seem unable to comprehend an argument. Was not debating merits/demerits of slavery vis-a-vis the caste system, was pointing out that the slaves don't necessarily think of any golden age regardless of what their masters may have achieved. Same with Hinduism, people who were deliberately left out of the opportunities that existed cannot be expected to claim the age of their oppression as a "golden age".

    Your comparison is flawed because those enslaved in the west are not considered a part of European society when talking about their achievements.
    Was pointing out that it would have made no difference to thee lower castes since they were essentially an already subjugated people.

    Which is why you can't make a Hindu rashtra. Democracy already exists & people seem happy with the present dispensation. You & the likes of you are the odd ones here.
     
  14. Bang Galore

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    If anything actually proves my point that religion inspired crazies should be sidelined, it clearly shows up in personal attacks; X'ian, Hindu-hater & the like. Can't refute the points raised, so resort to mud slinging. Little wonder that people with such low tolerance for the views of others usually show despotic tendencies when in positions of power. Little wonder the caste system was created & blights the face of Hinduism even today.
     
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    Guys...I know that I don't know much about Hinduism...

    But please at least listen to each other...don't agree,just listen what the other person has to say.And stop with the personal attacks.
     
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