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HOW CHINA COPIED IMPORTANT WEAPONS

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  1. lca-fan

    lca-fan Captain FULL MEMBER

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    HOW CHINA COPIED 5 IMPORTANT RUSSIAN WEAPONS



    Members let's start a dedicated thread to discuss weapons which China has copied or reverse engineered. We can make this sticky to discuss all copied weapons system that China has.
     
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    Chinese Su-34 copy
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    While I am not a big fan of copying or the PRC itself...


    You gotta give them credit for their Hacking Skills, Reverse Engineering Skills....Quantitative Production skills And also Political Will...And of course for their balls....These guys don't even try to be subtle about it...
    :lol: :lol:


    Anyway.... Copying can only get them so far...And they know it...In the recent years....I have seen an additional push for innovation from the Ruling Communists .....



    PS :

    These guys they...


    Remind me of an old military history lesson...So

    It's just like how the Soviets made their Tu-4 a rivet to river copy of the legendary B-29... :lol: Damn Soviets...
    In that case atleast the Soviets had access to 3 working (repaired) B-29....
    In this day of computer designing....The Chinese seem to just hack or obtain blueprints and details and reverse engineer the shit out of everything.... Locally adapt it...And use their industrial Capacity to then mass produce the shit out of it....
    :lol: :lol: ....Damn Chinese...... :lol:


    Well... Whatever it is...Let's not underestimate them....Their weapons..Copied or not...Will surely wreak havoc....
     
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    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Is this real !!!?


    Well....
    Oh dear....
    AFAIK they didn't even ever buy it....
    How the heck did they get the prints and ED's from....

    Some kind of a deal with the Russians..Or Straight away...'Borrowing'....
    :lol:
     
  7. lca-fan

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    7 Military Weapons China Copied From the United States
    By Irene Luo, Epoch Times |

    August 1, 2015 AT 9:38 AM


    Last Updated:

    August 15, 2015 10:32 am


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    China's Changhe Z-10 helicopter, which closely resembles the U.S. Sikorsky UH-60, popularly known as the "Black Hawk."(Shimin Gu/Wikimedia Commons)


    Through cyber attacks and other methods, the Chinese regime has successfully stolen large amounts of sensitive information, including military weapon blueprints, from major corporations and government bureaus in the United States. Although the Chinese military regularly boasts about their so-called cutting-edge new technology, they are still lagging behind in weapons development. But they should not be underestimated, especially considering how formidable their hackers and cyberspace operations can be. Below are some of the U.S. weaponry that China has copied—or, more often, simply stolen the plans for.

    1. The U.S. C-17
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    A U.S. Air Force C-17 Globemaster III T-1. (U.S. Air Force via Wikimedia Commons)
    In 2011, Dongfan “Greg” Chung, an aerospace engineer from Orange County, was sentenced to 24 years and 5 months in prison for spying for the Chinese regime and stealing more than 250,000 documents from Boeing and Rockwell. Included were designs for the C-17 Globemaster III, a Boeing freighter, which he snuck out in 2006.

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    The Xi’an Y-20 (wc/airliners.net via Wikimedia Commons)
    That same year, the Xi’an Aircraft Industrial Corporation began building the Y-20, a heavy freighter aircraft closely resembling the C-17. As noted by a congressional report in 2010, China had been having troubles developing heavy transport aircrafts. The Y-20 can carry more than 200 tons, according to military sources cited by China Daily, and fly up to 9,400 miles. It can also serve different purposes from refueling planes to transporting military equipment and significantly extend the reach of the Chinese military.

    2. The U.S. F-35 and F-22
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    A Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor fighter (Rob Shenk/Wikimedia Commons)



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    The U.S. Navy variant of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. (The U.S. Navy/Wikimedia Commons)
    In late July of 2014, China’s Chengdu Aircraft Corporation conducted a successful test flight of the Chengdu J-20, an aircraft combining designs and technology from the F-22 Raptor and F-35 Strike Fighter planes.

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    Chinese Fifth Generation Fighter J-20. (Baiweiflight/Wikimedia Commons)
    The plane has been modified several times since its first prototype in 2011, with revisions in air intake, wing size, and nose design to enhance stealth. It’s believed that information gained from cyberattacks on the U.S. military and defense contractors led to the modifications. Just in July of 2014, a Chinese businessmen was arrested for stealing data from the U.S. over two dozen defense programs, including the F-35 and F-22.

    3. The Predator Drone
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    MQ-1 Predator unmanned aircraft. (Lt. Col. Leslie Pratt/U.S. Air Force via Wikimedia Commons)
    Designed and constructed by state-owned aircraft manufacturer China Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC), the Cai Hong-4 (CH-4), or Rainbow-4 drone, is a multipurpose drone copying the U.S. MQ-1 Predator, although Chinese media claim the CH-4 is superior in almost every respect.

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    China’s CH-4 Drone (Screenshot via chinanews.com)
    According to the People’s Liberation Army Air Force spokesperson Shen Jinke, the CH-4 is “tasked with surveillance, reconnaissance, and ground attacks [and] will play a vital role in fighting terrorism.” Chen Jongxin, a researcher for the CASC, said it can carry up to 760 pounds with an endurance of 38 hours and a maximum range of over 2000 miles.

    4. The FGM-148 Javelin Anti-Tank Missile
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    The FGM-148 Javelin (United States Army via Wikimedia Commons)
    In 2014, the Chinese regime revealed their new HJ-12 anti-tank missile able to target tanks over 2 miles away, according to China Daily, a state-run newspaper. The weapon can allegedly destroy current generation tanks, including America’s M1 Abrams, Russia’s T-90, and Japan’s Type 90 Kyū-maru. It is manufactured by China’s state-owned company NORINCO, which has also been selling weapons to South Sudan, fueling the civil war there.

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    China’s HJ-12 Anti-Tank Missile (Screenshot via sohu.com)
    The HJ-12 is strikingly similar to the U.S. FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank missile in size, targeting systems, method of firing, and even basic design.

    5. The Sikorsky UH-60 “Black Hawk”
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    The UH-60 Black Hawk Helicopter. (SSGT SUZANNE M. JENKINS/U.S. Air Force via Wikimedia Commons)
    In late 2013, China conducted a flight test of a Z-10 helicopter, which closely resembles the U.S. Sikorsky UH-60, popularly known as the “Black Hawk.”

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    China’s Changhe Z-10 Helicopter. (Shimin Gu/Wikimedia Commons)
    In the 1980s, China purchased a civilian version of the Black Hawk, and Pakistani intelligence gave the Chinese regime access to a Black Hawk. Some speculate the supposedly “original” design borrowed liberally from U.S. designs, while retaining a few notable differences like the 5-blade rotor, a larger cabin, and a different landing gear and tail, according to the Aviationist.

    6. The Humvee
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    A Humvee (U.S. Navy via Wikipedia Commons)
    In the late 1980s, AM General, a major vehicle manufacturer based in Indiana, wanted to sell the High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle, also known as the Humvee, to the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The PLA rejected the offer, and AM General left one Humvee in China before they left. After seeing the Humvee’s abilities to cross deserts during the Gulf War in 1991, the Chinese military regained interest in the vehicle and gathered the few civilian Humvees that Chinese oil companies had bought in the 1990s as well as the one AM General had left in the mainland. Using reverse engineering, they built a prototype and named it Dongfeng EQ2050.

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    Dongfeng EQ2050 (Boris van Hoytema via Wikimedia Commons)
    AM General sold them car parts to make the Humvee starting in 2004, and AM General also developed operations to make the parts themselves. The only problem was the engine, which was licensed by Cummins. The United States had an arms embargo against China since 1989, when the Chinese regime massacred dozens of pro-democracy students at Tiananmen Square, so US companies were not allowed to sell military goods to China, including any parts used to make the weapon. The exception was “dual use goods,” objects that could be used by civilians and the military. The Chinese regime therefore made a civilian version of the EQ2050, so that Cummins could sell them the engine (although no civilian could actually purchase the vehicle). The Dongfeng EQ2050 is now widely used by the Chinese police and military.

    7. The Active Denial System
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    The Active Denial System. (U.S. Air Force)
    Two weeks ago, the Chinese regime showed off its new microwave crowd-control weapon at a military technology exhibition. Mounted on a truck, the WB-1 millimeter-wave beam constructed by the China Poly Group Corporation fires non lethal beams on microwave frequency, heating up the water molecules just beneath the skin and making people feel a painful, burning sensation.

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    China’s WB-1 Weapon. (Screenshot via china.com)
    The weapon replicates the function and purpose of the Active Denial System (ADS), designed by the American defense contractor Raytheon. The ADS was deployed in Afghanistan in 2010, but was never used.

    State media say the WB-1 has a range of 80 meters, and it can be enhanced to reach 1 kilometer. It can be used as a riot-control weapon by police, making it dangerous for civilian protesters or dissidents in China.
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1699756-7-military-weapons-china-copied-from-the-united-states/
     
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    CHINESE COPY MENACE CONTINUE..THIS TIME THEY COPY RUSSIAN SU34(HellDuck) FULLBACK & NAME IT J17 AS RUSSIANS LOOSE OUT PROSPECTIVE BUYERS FOR IT

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    A RUSSIAN Su34

    China is developing the J-17, a tactical bomber similar to the Russian Su-34.
    Our Sources has learnt from Russian Zhukovsky Central Aerodynamic Research Institute that at present, a tunnel test for the model of the J-17 bomber will soon be completed.
    China has already had the experience of developing and manufacturing the J-11B and J-16 fighters (respectively copies of Russian Su-27 and Su-30).
    Aviation experts believe, the J-17, the Chinese version of the Su-34, can be used to replace some of and strengthen the H-6 bombers.
    Photographs obtained by spy satellites show that recently there has been significant reduction of the number of H-6 bombers at Chinese airfields, which perhaps indicates the decommissioning and destruction of the H-6 bombers made earlier.
    Meanwhile, it also proves that there is limited room for improvement in those aircraft. The first flight of China’s H-6 bomber was carried out in 1953.
    Experts point out that development and manufacture of the new type of heavy bomber are very difficult jobs.
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    J-17(Chinese Copy of Su34)
    For China’s aircraft industry, the complicated problem is the unavailability of a China-made powerful turbojet engine.
    We cannot exclude the possibility that China began to develop its J-17 tactical bomber in 1998, as China played the footage of the model of an aircraft similar to the Su-34 at Airshow China that year.
    Experts estimate the combat load of the Chinese vision of the Su-34 may reach 8 tons. If that is the case, J-17’s maximum load is a little lighter than the H-6 bomber (9 tons). It in theory may carry long-range cruise missiles.
    Russia is also interested in selling an export version of it’s S-34 aircraft to China. A Chinese source believes that commissioning of the Su-34 and J-17 can greatly enhance the Chinese air force attack potential, and improve it to make it satisfy world advanced standards.
    Previously, there was a report that China, in addition, was developing the J-19 heavy bomber on the basis of the J-11B.
    https://defence360officials.blogspot.in/2016/11/chinese-copy-menace-continuethis-time.html
     
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    Can we also discuss why India was unable to do so and should India adopt the same policy of copying weapons (reverse engineering) and also are we capable of doing it?
     
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    most of the maal from Russia isn't copy but China paying huge cash to get full TOT & production rights
     
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    See all the Chinese weapons which are copied , do not come from only Russia.

    A lot of weaponry and technology comes from format Soviet Republics, or former members to Warsaw Pact or even Western European Nations who sold China a lot of weaponary.

    France and Italy are the prominent nations who imparted Military tech to China.
     
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    By doing so we may produce aa system of that generation , but we handicap ourselves to develop the next generation .


    The most important thing is not to have a list of things which are needed to manufacture a system , but a list of things which would/could go wrong while doing is more important.
     
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    Yup ... always do a SWOT analysis
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Hi ,
    Welcome to the forum .

    Please use English only as a medium here while discussing as its the link language here.

    Thanks.
     
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    That is a bad idea, There is a saying in hindi "Nakal karne ke liye Akal hona chahiye" By copying those things we develop our Military Industrial complex,which will churn out new concepts and weapons in future. By not copying we will remain a eternal buyer of weapons from foreign nations,who will not sell you state of the art weapons but second generation or second tier weapons which they have already used before.
     
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