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HOW CHINA COPIED IMPORTANT WEAPONS

Discussion in 'China & Asia Pacific' started by lca-fan, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    FYI people around the world and mostly in Asia adore Japanese tech industry be it automobile,electronics or anything else, little they care is Japan like today's China started their journey by simply copying American and European brands.
    Sony copied Phillips.
    Honda and Toyota copied German and US brands in past
    Japan >South Korea>Taiwan>China
     
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  2. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    I support smart copying , which does not makes the foreign defence establishments rough on us while selling systems.

    My reference was that, like in Kaveri Project it has been found there were problems which we didn't even expected.

    Now the French will come , study the engine and will do two things
    1. Provide a list of things which might go wrong in Kaveri according to their experience and a list of things to do in general while undertaking such projects.

    2. Provide their expertise in its overhaul , future upgrade and optimisation of present resources we have.

    You see they aren't giving us an ToT , but rather just assisting us.

    The things / list of problems which might happen [which they have ] , has been accumulated over a century of Engine making and 5 decades of jet engine making.

    That's a very big thing.

    Returning to copying , well I support the smart way of doing it. Like there is a hell lot of technology lying and rusting away in Ukraine right now . Use the hook and crook method to get it.
     
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  3. AbRaj

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    Ukraine itself is rusting :biggthumpup:
     
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  4. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Even after 6 decades we are not able to produce a all weather Assault rifle, i am not even going into advanced systems. There is a lot of technology lying around in former Soviet nations, instead of buying them outright like China and absorbing them, India went for a buyer and supplier relationship with those countries.

    The french aren't doing us a favor by giving us their expertise, they are doing it for money. You can get such expertise from Soviet era scientists who are jobless in ex-USSR states. When you see some initiative seize it,
    This concept of "India does not need to copy because other countries abhor it, in turn we will get latest weaponry on sale because we don't copy" is a moronic idea fed by the countries which supply us spares and weapons.They want us to be a cash cow always buying their wares and never bothering to invent the wheel yourself, it also suits the politicians and middle man due to the kickbacks involved.
    USA Patented Turmeric, Yoga,Basmati rice, Neem leaves and even A2 Milk of Desi cows,did they ask our permission when they stole those ideas?
    When you see something before you seize it when you can get your hands on it.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...tary-secrets-to-China/articleshow/7360206.cms
    This case shows the reason we failed to get such stealth technology from a Indian American who would have gladly given such secrets to India instead of China.
    You also know about the Cryogenic Engine sabotage and Scientists being killed off systematically.

    In such situation we need to copy left and right. If we would have copied that jet engine tech beforehand,we would not have to deal with french scientists coming in to supervise or provide their expertise.
    Let's face it to reverse engineer you need to have a good idea of how things work. based on that knowledge we could tinker future weapons and create new platforms.
     
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  5. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yes even the Germans started their journey by copying things and manufacturing them cheaply.
    Now nobody accuses Germany of copying technology because they have shed that image after their indigenization of products.
    Japan too faced the flak from US automobile industries, who said the Japanese had small hands so they could get their hands into small spaces and make engines,also accused them of copiers, just the same stage China is in right now, in another 20 years,nobody would accuse China of copying but they would laud them of creating high end technology and products.
     
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    Kabhi Kabhi Bhangar Main Bhi Kaam ki Chhez Mil Jati Hai.

    Since Ukraine had several defence, Aviation and Turbine industry and now that its economy is almost fished and several engineers and scientist are facing hardships we should lure them to work in India. Ukraine had engineers and scientists working for Antanov and ZM Turbine manufacturing company. These should be our target. We should offer them better living condition better pay, besides several retired engineers and scientist from western countries working for BAE, GE, etc could also be our target.
     
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  7. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    When USSR fell, The professors of Universities would take their salaries in sacks of potatoes and wheat. Such was their situation,it was the perfect time for India to absorb all that talent and expertise and do what Curt Tank did Create Marut aircraft in India.
    Ukraine economy is finished due to the fighting , It has some pretty amazing technology and scientists left,who should be absorbed into Indian defence sector.
     
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    Pretty much the entire Chinese economy is a copy and paste job, with the exception of rice.
     
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    Even Rice is fake made from plastic strands in China. :rofl:
     
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    Known as "the father of China's electromagnetic catapult" , Ma Weiming , electrical engineering experts, , Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Major General, Professor of Naval Engineering University, in an exclusive interview with the "Global Times" reporter said:

    Chinese All-electric propulsion system is in the world's leading position. Our technology is the medium voltage DC. The United States ' technology is medium voltage AC , still in the first generation level, one generation behind Chinese technology. As for technology of the medium voltage DC, the United States is still in the pre-research stage, at least one decade behind.


    2017-03-16
    http://www.globalview.cn/html/societies/info_16833.html
     

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