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  1. CountryFirst2

    CountryFirst2 Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is really shocking. Apart from the fact that Tatas made their initial money by running drug running business for the British, even helped them to further their empire. Tata is just a lot of PR and is a villain in disguise. Read on:

    Introduction
    The Tata Group, a family-owned Indian multinational with 2005 revenues of Rs. 76,500 crores ($17.8 billion), has an unjustifiably good reputation. The corporation’s flagship company Tata Steel made its riches through large-scale takeover of tribal lands in Jharkhand and Orissa and opportunistic business deals with the British colonial powers and the East India Company.
    Until the onset of liberalisation, Tatas remained the undisputed king of the license-raj, covering its trail of human rights, labour and environmental violations with liberal philanthropic give-aways. As the realities of operating in a globalised environment began sinking in within Tatas, more and more people, including its loyal employees, are beginning to understand that talks of nation-building and corporate social responsibility aside, Tata companies have no obligation to anybody but their own shareholders.
    As the rapsheet below will corroborate, the corporate house’s reputation is a result of Tata’s successful public relations strategy rather than a reflection of reality.

    1. Helping Killer Carbide
    In December 1984, when the Government of India arrested Union Carbide Chairman Warren Anderson for his role in causing the Bhopal gas disaster, Mr. J.R.D. Tata was one of the few Indians to condemn the arrest. Decisions made by Anderson to save costs by eliminating safety systems and approving untested technology at the Bhopal factory were directly responsible for the disaster. Incidentally, significant sections of the Bhopal factory’s sewage and utilities were constructed by Tata Consulting Engineers.
    In November 2006, Ratan Tata offered to bail out Union Carbide, and facilitate investments by Carbide’s new owner Dow Chemical, by leading a charitable effort to clean-up the toxic wastes abandoned by Carbide in Bhopal. At a time when the Government of India has held Dow Chemical liable for the clean-up and requested Rs. 100 crores from the American MNC, Tata’s offer of charity is aimed at frustrating legal efforts to hold the company liable. Also, admittedly, the offer is motivated by a desire to facilitate Dow’s investments in India. The company has restrained itself from major investments in India out of fear that the campaign for justice by Bhopal victims will derail plans and increase risks of any Dow venture in India.

    2. Bypassing Democracy
    (a) Dictating Indian Policy:
    In 2005, prompted by the corporate-friendly overtures of the Manmohan Singh Government and the Bush administration, business houses in the US and India set up the US-India CEO Forum comprising a select coterie of US and Indian CEOs. The forum has “a mandate to develop a road map for increased partnership and cooperation between the two countries at a business level.†Co-chaired by Ratan Tata, the Forum has made several recommendations to craft new laws, change existing laws and establish policy to make India more investor-friendly. The Forum is pushing for weaker labour laws, facilitation of Special Economic Zones, increased focus on post-graduate education, relaxing liability laws and expediting resolution of disputes especially following events such as the Bhopal disaster. The high-level consent that the Forum has from Indian and US Governments makes it a force parallel to the Indian parliament in law-making.
    (b) Holding on to Corporatocracy:
    Tatas own and operate the only private city in India. The steel city of Jamshedpur, which was founded by Jamsetji Tata in 1904, is one of few Indian cities that does not have a municipality or any local elected Government. Tata Steel-owned Jamshedpur Utilities and Services Company administers the entire town with population of nearly 600,000. The 74th Amendment to the Constitution of India devolves powers to locally elected urban bodies such as municipalities, and requires that all states enact laws to hold regular elections to such local bodies. Converting the Tata-controlled town to a democratically controlled municipality met with stiff resistance from Tata Steel who seemed to suggest that a benevolent rule, such as Tata Steel, was more desirable than a democratic set-up. Defending corporate rule over democracy, Tata Steel’s managing director B. Muthuraman is reported as saying “While you have one successful model which has been there for a hundred years, would you like to bring in some other model which however lofty may not yet have been tried.â€
    (c) Business with Military Junta:
    The Myanmar military government which is shunned by the world for its blatant human rights violations has found a friend in India. At a time when several multinationals like PepsiCo have pulled out of Myanmar in a bid to pressure the military government to give way to democratic forces, Tata Motors is striking deals to supply the oppressive regime with hardware and automobiles. The Myanmar military junta is accused of widespread rape and pillage, and the use of forced labour to construct infrastructure for the exploitation of Myanmar’s rich natural resources. For more than two decades, tribal groups have fought a hard and violent battle against the military junta for autonomy. Nobel laureate Aung San Suu Kyi has been under house arrest since 1989.

    3. Desecrating Tribal Lands
    (a) Parched Earth Tactics:
    Tatas’ steel town came up in close proximity to thickly forested lands that had the misfortune of carrying some of the richest iron ore deposits. Tribal people then and now seldom have paper titles to their lands. The company initially acquired 3564 acres of land comprising villages at the cost of Rs. 46,332. When the lands were handed over to Tatas for mining in Noamundi and for the Jamshedpur township by the British-controlled Government of India, the tribals were evicted.
    In 1907, after Tatas had taken over the Noamundi area for mining iron, local adivasis refused to work the mines. In a bid to tame them, Tatas reportedly mowed down the Kusumgaj (Kosam) trees. These trees were the lifeline for the adivasis who collected lac from the lacworms that nest on these trees. In desperation and with no other recourse for a livelihood, more and more adivasis started digging iron ore for Tatas.
    In 2000, Tata Steel allegedly bulldozed a spring that was the only source of water for the indigenous people of Agaria Tola – a 22-household hamlet on the periphery of Tata’s coal mines. Besides yielding water, the spring was the centre of social interaction for the nearby villagers.
    (b) Chrome Poisoning:
    The Down to Earth magazine reports that the Comptroller Auditor General of the Government of India singled out the chromite mines in Sukhinda Valley as a highly polluted area. Tatas are one of the largest mining companies in the valley. The Domsala River and 30 streams that run through this valley are contaminated with dangerous levels of hexavalent chromium leaching from overburden dumps. Hexavalent chromium causes irritation of the respiratory tract, nasal septum ulcers, irritant dermatitis rhinitis, bronchospasm and pneumonia.
    One study funded by the Norwegian Government under the Orissa Environment Program found that almost 25 percent of people living less than 1 km from the sites suffered pollution-induced diseases.
    (c) Luxury Resort in Tiger Country:
    In the mid-1990s, the Tata-owned Taj Group of Hotels leased a piece of land in the middle of the Nagarahole National Park and Tiger Reserve in Karnataka to build the Gateway Tusker Lodge. Proposed as a jungle camp, the plans for the Lodge resembled those of a 5-star resort complete with tourist facilities, diesel generators, and conference rooms. No clearance was sought from the Ministry of Environment, despite the fact that any activity inside a National Park is very stringently regulated. Massive tribal opposition to the project and a legal challenge eventually forced the Tatas to withdraw from the Tiger’s hunting grounds.

    4. Violence and Massacres
    (a) Gua Massacre:
    State violence against tribal people is commonplace, particularly in the mining districts of Eastern India. According to an eyewitness, on 7 September, 1980, villagers whose lands were taken over to accommodate a Tata aerodrome in Noamundi went to the aerodrome to confront then Tata Steel chairman Russi Mody and present him a memo. On seeing the crowd, Mody’s aircraft returned to Jamshedpur without landing. All this happened at a time when long-oppressed tribals were asserting their rights, and the struggle for a tribal state was at its peak in the Jharkhand region of Bihar. Tatas and other vested interests are said to have pressed the State Government to take stringent action against tribal activists. The 8 September firing against innocent tribals in the Gua marketsquare, and the subsequent killing of 8 unarmed tribals inside a hospital was the “strict action†that was taken to quell tribal discontent.
    (b) Kalinganagar Massacre:
    On January 2, 2006, a police battalion armed to the teeth opened fire into a crowd of tribal villagers in Kalinganagar, Orissa. The tribal people were protesting the illegal construction of a compound wall by Tata Steel on lands historically owned by them. The local people had made it clear that Tata Steel was not welcome. Just days before the massacre, Tata Steel had three meetings with the chief minister of Orissa. Five corpses returned after post-mortem were mutilated; one dead woman’s breast was ripped off, and a young boy (also killed in the firing) had his genitals mutilated. All had their palms chopped off. Tata has said the incident was unfortunate, and that it will continue with plans to set up a steel plant at the location despite the opposition.
    (c) Singur Oppression:
    In 2006, Tatas obtained a bonanza. More than 900 acres of fertile agricultural lands in Singur, near Kolkata, was handed over to Tata Motors by the West Bengal Government for a project that will churn out Rs. 100,000 ($2000) cars. Farmers, many of whose lands were forcibly acquired, opposed the handover of their lands to Tata. Goaded by Tatas, the West Bengal Government has come down heavily on the Singur farmers and their supporters, converting this once-peaceful village into a war-zone with round-the-clock presence of armed police providing protection to Tata Motors site and workers.

    5. Toxic Dumping
    (a) Saline wastes:
    In September 2003, an effluent spill from Tata Chemicals’ soda ash factory in Mithapur, Gujarat, spread over more than 150 acres of the sea in the Gulf of Kutch Marine National Park. The National Park covers one of the most biodiverse regions – mangroves, corals, mudskippers, whale sharks — in the coast of India. About 10 km_ of the marine protected area has been considerably degraded due to the settlement of solids associated with the effluent of the industry, according to the National Institute of Oceanography. The salt pans in the Mithapur area are also named as the cause for the rapid salinity ingress into the groundwater. Several villages have lost their farmlands to accommodate open unlined dumps for Tata’s saline effluent.
    (b) Hell on Earth:
    Patancheru, a chemical industrial estate near Hyderabad, is referred to as Hell on Earth owing to the unlivable environmental conditions in that area because of industrial pollution. Rallis India, a Tata subsidiary manufacturing pesticides here, was singled out by the Supreme Court Monitoring Committee on Hazardous Wastes which identified the company’s toxic waste dump to be a toxic contamination source of concern. The company’s wastes are stored in massive solar evaporation ponds that stinks up the air with poisonous chemicals, villagers say.
    (c) Mountains of Waste, Jugsalai:
    Thousands of tonnes of boiler ash generated from Tata Steel units are dumped in the open in the middle of Jugsalai town near Jamshedpur. During the dry months, the heavy metal laced dust from the mountain of ash flies in the air causing visibility problems and breathing distress. Groundwater in the area is polluted, as per Tata Steel’s own admission, and contains higher than permissible levels of hardness and dissolved solids.
    (d) Joda Mines:
    Begun in the 1950s, the mining boomtown that houses Tata, Birla and Jindal iron ore mines, has fuelled the riches of several corporates but has gained nothing in the process. Joda town and the road to it, according to one journalist, is one big pothole. The constantly plying ore trucks, and the round-the-clock mining has meant that local residents, workers and commuters have no fresh air to breathe. It is a wonder that these dustiest of dusty mines are located at the edge of the Sidhamatha Reserve Forests, home to the elephant and tiger.
    (e) Coal Slurry Dumping:
    Tata Steel’s collieries in West Bokaro and its coal washeries in Bokaro have been discharging a coal-dust-rich slurry into the Bokaro River, effectively killing the river by smothering the river bed. The process also uses large quantities of freshwater and discharges it along with the coal-dust as effluents.

    6. Hazardous Incidents
    (a) Founder’s Day Fire:
    On March 3, 1989, a fire broke out in the VIP gallery during the Founder’s Day celebrations. Sixty children were killed and 111 injured in the fire that was caused by negligence and poor planning that prevented fire tenders from arriving at the scene of the accident in time. The problem was further exacerbated when Tatas refused to move the injured and dying to a burns speciality hospital in a bid to cover up the event. A Factories Inspectorate report lays the blame squarely on Tata Steel. More than 10 years after the tragic event, Tatas had still not paid compensation to the legal heirs of the deceased or to the injured. Even the Supreme Court alluded to pay-offs by TISCO, asking TISCO how much it was paying the Court-appointed arbitrator.

    7. Strong Anti-Labour Policies
    In the 1920s and 1930s, when it was still called Tata Iron and Steel Company, TISCO’s largely tribal workers fought pitched battles with the European and Parsi management. Work conditions and the right to organise were important rallying issues, and over the years, the company developed a reputation for union-busting often by violent means.
    (a) Worker Suicides:
    After Ratan Tata took over in 1991, the Tata Group companies have witnessed aggressive streamlining and down-sizing. In 2003, two contract workers who were part of the Tata Hydrocompanies Employees Union doused themselves with kerosene and set themselves on fire outside the Tata headquarters. Along with 68 other workers from the Tata Power Company, the two suicidal workers were protesting the illegal termination of their contract in 1997 by Tata.
    As land prices skyrocketed in Mumbai in the 1980s, textile mills sitting on prime real estate in Mumbai (formerly Bombay) began starving as mill managements failed to invest in modernisation and upkeep. Mill-owners preferred to run their establishment into the ground in the hopes that lucrative land deals would allow them to shut down the mills and make money in the process. Tatas, which ran Svadeshi Mills — one of the oldest textile mills in Mumbai – had earlier obtained permission to sell a fourth of its landholding, and hand-over half the land for a recreation ground, a public housing scheme and a public sector factory to employ retrenched labourers from the textile mill. While a fourth of the land was sold, the latter did not happen. Workers allege that whatever was sold was undervalued to allow the company to siphon funds meant for mill revival or rehabilitation of workers to other group businesses. Driven to desperation, at least one Svadeshi mill worker committed suicide after the August 2000 closure of the mill forced 2800 factory-floor workers into destitution.
    (b) Sub-contracting and Fostering Insecurity:
    According to highly placed sources within the Tata company, Tatas have resorted to large-scale deployment of contract labour in a bid to cut costs. In contravention of the Contract Labour and Regulation Act, contract workers are engaged in prohibited activities, including those that can only be performed by trained permanent staff, and works of perennial nature. Workers allege that the company discriminates between its employees and contract workers. At Tata Steel in Jamshedpur, for instance, company employees eat better food in superior ambience than contract workers. Wage differences are also wide although the nature of work performed by contract workers is no different from that of company employees. Contract workers also work longer hours on harder jobs. Lack of skill and work pressure has meant that contract employees meet with more accidents.
    (c) Lay-offs:
    Contrary to Tata’s much-touted credentials of providing employment security, the corporate house’s massive downsizing at its flagship Tata Steel provides a case in point. Tata’s workforce stood at 78,000 in 1994. By 1997, it was down to 65,000. By 2002, another 15,000 jobs were eliminated, and the total workforce in 2006 stands at 38,000, slightly more than half of what it started out with at the onset of liberalisation. Of this, more than 25,000 people received voluntary retirement benefits. However, many allege that the scheme was not all that voluntary. Able-bodied workers were rendered jobless as they succumbed to intense emotional pressure. Reports allege that teachers were asked to sweep roads if they did not take up “voluntary retirement.â€
    (d) Union busting:
    In 1989, workers belonging to the trade union Telco Kamgar Sanghatana at Telco’s plant in Pune struck work demanding wage hikes. Tata management attempted to break the strike by offering a wage hike to rival unions and warning every employee of dire consequences if labour unrest continued. In September 1989, about 3000 workers went on an indefinite hunger strike. As the strike progressed with workers fainting and no signs of a rapprochement, the State Government came under intense pressure from Tatas and other capitalists. On September 29, under cover of darkness the State Reserve & Pune City Police launched Operation Crackdown. 80 buses were deployed to round up and take fasting workers to jail. Tata had managed to break the strike with the help of the police.
    (e) Killings:
    In the past, at least two prominent Tata trade unionists – Abdul Bari and V.G. Gopal – were gunned down by rival unionists as they were setting off for negotiations with the management. In both instances, Tata workers and independent observers allege the behind-the-scenes involvement of Tata management.

    8. A Historical Record as Collaborators of British Imperialism
    (a) Drug Running:
    Tata archives that talk in glowing terms about Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata fail to record the family’s involvement in shipping opium to China in the mid- to late 1800s. The opium was grown in India and shipped to China by agents such as Tata for the British.
    (b) Empress Mills:
    Tata’s first industrial venture, a textile mill in Central India’s cotton-growing region, was opened on 1 January, 1877 – the day Queen Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India. The event was commemorated by naming the company Empress Mills.
    (c) Fueling British Expansionism:
    Commissioned in 1908, the Tata Iron and Steel Company in Jamshedpur cut its teeth supplying the British empire with steel rails that were crucial in Britain’s war effort in Northern and East Africa during the 1st World War. When the war was over, Viceroy Lord Chelmsford said: “I can hardly imagine what we should have done if the Tata Company had not been able to give us steel rails which have provided not only for Mesopotamia, but for Egypt, Palestine and East Africa.â€
    (d) Supplying the British Army:
    The American civil war ended in 1865, re-opening raw cotton supplies from the Southern states of the US for England’s textile mills. That sent India’s cotton suppliers on a tailspin. Many didn’t recover, but the Tata family managed to stay afloat by securing a lucrative contract to supply food and clothing to the British Army’s Magdala campaign in Abyssinia (now Ethiopia) in 1868.
    Courtesy – International Campaign for Justice in Bhopal

    Tatas opposed by the people
    Tata’s unpopularity is evident from the fact that local people in various places around India have successfully thwarted the company’s attempts to set up businesses on their lands. The ongoing struggle in Singur, the stand-off in Kalinganagar are merely the most recent and prominent.
    About a decade ago, protests by tribal residents in Orissa forced Tatas to pull out of a venture to mine bauxite from the sacred Baphlimali hills in Rayagada district. In 2000, three tribal youth were shot dead by the police during a peaceful demonstration near the proposed mine site.
    In 2000, Tatas were forced to abandon a proposal to set up a steel plant in Gopalpur-on-Sea, a coastal town in Orissa following massive protests from the more than 20,000 people that were to be evicted to make way for the plant. This project too ended only after blood was shed. In August 1997, the police opened fire at a protest rally in Sindhigaon, where two women were crushed to death in the ensuing pandemonium.
    In the late 1990s, Tatas shelved a proposal to convert large portions of Lake Chilika – a massive brackish water lake of international prominence – into an aquaculture farm after protests by the 120,000-strong fishing community that depended on the lake for a livelihood.
     
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  2. Zeus_@21

    Zeus_@21 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    If tata is a devil. I'm looking to get placed in that devil. TCS!!:rofl:
     
  3. INDIAN NATIONALIST

    INDIAN NATIONALIST Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Not only that, but the more you're willing to break, the more people you can feed when the cooking is done.

    There is no example of an industrialized nation that didn't step on a lot of peoples' toes to get infrastructure reform going. Just look at China and Europe. We're pretty much at the opposite extreme in relation to their historic willingness to paper over human rights abuse to achieve development for future generations. But we're also feeling the effects of it, in terms of limited potential to compete and provide for our children to the same standards.

    Prioritizing industrial growth and development can help lift a lot of people out of poverty and does more good than harm in the long run, and makes India more competitive. Typically, those nations willing to stomach greater sacrifices to this effect are also those that have more to gain.

    Economic growth stagnated under British colonialism. After independence India was basically a classical era civilization in most ways. India had to be reorganized from a fundamental level, and still does, to set the stage for industrialization to full potential. For example, land ownership reforms displaced many peoples but I believe this was a necessary evil, and in the long run allows India to be more modern.

    Most nations will admit that yes, there were abuses in the past, but we did what was necessary to overcome a rigid and stagnant status quo, and gain forward momentum in infrastructure and the development of the people and society in general.

    Obviously, it's easy for me to say other people should sacrifice. If it were my livelihood on the line, I hope I could maintain the resolve. Regardless, even if I were a hypocrite, that's immaterial with respect to the economic calculus; what is sacrificed today can set the stage for more jobs, security, and modernity for countless future generations.

    We live in a complex and nuanced reality. There are no absolute answers and no easy solutions; in the course of history, this in principle applies to human rights as well. The best we can do is try and be creative, but at the end of the day, many people have had to sacrifice to help protect the interests of future generations; hopefully they can appreciate how much more people will benefit for what they've given. The alternative is to become a theocratic society; we will resist adaptation and insist on absolute difference between right and wrong, ethical and unethical, no matter the cost. To see the results of adopting such a mindset, you only need to look at the Islamic world today. Thankfully, Indian culture and even religious traditions generally recognizes nuance and balance.

    While development and adaptation of society and industry is still a priority, I think Indian culture would do best to adopt a consequential system of ethics. As a developing nation, applying red tape on the expansion of infrastructure and industry, even on farming lands and traditional communities, in the long run does more to reduce the liberties afforded to citizens, especially the working class, as it does to protect.
    When deciding ethical or unethical, we should prioritize consideration of long-term, inter-generational economic prospects of our decisions, and weigh them against the opportunity cost.

    That doesn't mean there aren't ways to compensate people who have to move or find new work.
    But protesting development, not but virtue of being rendered homeless, but simply because one will have to move or find new employment or even abandon a traditional way of life, really isn't an excuse. It's obstructionist. Not only to the interests of the nation at large but of its ability to hold its own against foreign rivals that are not interested in India becoming a competitor against their own industries.
     
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    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    This is what happens when going from primitive to high tech. Ex. Industrial revolution was built on the riches from looting and the back of slavery. So today we have the developed and the third world.
     
  5. INDIAN NATIONALIST

    INDIAN NATIONALIST Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It sounds awful that the lake a village uses for its subsistence will be turned into a farm, but c'mon. That's not really an excuse to stop development of infrastructure. This does not constitute an unreasonable inconvenience for the residents of a nation that needs to develop to compete globally. There are alternatives the government can offer; possible ways to compensate them for moving or finding new work.

    Many people, world wide, have no national perspective anyway, will protest over literally anything, and make it sound dire.
     
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    Marqueur Peaceful Silence ELITE MEMBER

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    the thing that looks wrong now may not have been wrong at that time ... basis fundamentals of management says decisions taken for a certain problem now, may look totally absurd or incorrect in the future, and tata is not owned by any family its owned by a trust ... tata's may have the largest share
     
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    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    just another brain fart... if you look with the mind to find.. you can find the hand of martians in death of dynasoures... and here is the link on jameshedpur.. just read about its civic administration before more farting.

    Jamshedpur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    myanmar janata government was not anti-India... and if Indian companies do business with enemy of India without permission from GoI then its wrong and immoral but not if they do business with others...


    get a life man... and stop worrying too much about India... you are just ruing your life and its worth for nation not helping India by looking for skeletons in every closet.
     
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    THE HONOURABLE PARSI OPIUM DRUG RUNNERS OF MUMBAI

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    YES, MOST OF THE FABULOUSLY RICH BOMBAY PARSIS IN THE 19TH CENTURY , WHEN INDIA WAS UNDER THE BRITISH RULE WERE DRUG RUNNERS.
    THEY HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO INVEST EVERYTHING IN APPRECIATING PRIME LAND THEY SECURED FROM THE GRATEFUL BRITISH --AT THROW AWAY PRICES, AND TO BUILD TIMELESS PHILANTHROPIC INSTITUTIONS. ALL OF THEM HAVE THEIR NAMES ALLOTTED TO PRINCIPAL STREETS OF MUMBAI.
    THESE HONOURABLE FOLKS PAY IT MONEY TO GET RID OF THEIR NAMES OF THEIR FOREFATHERS FROM THE INTERNET, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
    All of them are founders of the HSBC bank in 1865, at Hong Kong. They are also the first FREE MASON lodge members of India.

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    What follows is authentic information dug out from the records of Jardine and Matheson correspondence by letters , and Chinese verbally. Those days there was NO email or telex. Letters and manifests have to be burnt, if it should not leave a trail.

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    The British East India Company in 1750 started cultivating Opium in Bengal and Bihar to finance its own private army of 1.5 lak soldiers . As a result there were many famines and deaths in India due to lack of food.
    By 1790 they established an monopoly on Opium trade – and poppy growers in Indian could sell only to the East India Company.

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    Th East India company owned by Jews Rothschild family was just a front for the Queen. She needed the money to prevent the Empire from becoming bankrupt , as she planned to expand colonial rule.
    Britain could no longer afford to buy tea from China in exchange for Silver. Opium was the free and easy option. Thousands of Bengali , Bihari and Malva Indian farmers were forced to grow Opium .
    The British queen Victoria was the biggest drug trafficker in the 19th century. Britain made drug addicts out of 10 million Chinese. Opium is highly addictive , and heavy users last just 5 years. It makes a entire race passive , with no will to work. Opium was banned in China since nearly 100 years before this.
    It was Warren Hastings , the first Governor General of India’s , idea to first traffic drugs to China in 1780.
    Even Queen Victoria used Opium ( Laudanum ) , and records exist in the Royal Apothecary at Balmoral, as to how many times Opium was passed on to the royal palace. Gladstone openly took Laudanum ( opium + alcohol in ratio of 1:12 ). A lot of British noblemen were Opium eaters.
    The Free Mason Lodges of Britain and USA have their origins in the opium trade, which made them fabulously rich—and they could buy the unlimited power.
    NOW I WILL TALK ABOUT THE INDIAN SCENE.
    In India too we had a similar power brokers. They were the Parsis who came to India as refugees from Iran ,and till the Opium trade started were petty shop keepers and garbage ( raddhi like empty bottles and papers ) buyers/ sellers.
    These Parsis made fantastic fortunes by being middle men of the British who trusted them , as they were not proper Indians, and had no scruples when it came to prostituting their souls.
    In 1857 the British crown orchestrated the Indian Sepoy Mutiny or The first war of Independence, by provoking the superstitious Indian with pig and cow lard. After that the British Empire under Lord Palmerston just took over India—they did NOT require a front like East India company with a private army any more.

    And Queen Victoria officially became empress of India..
    The Opium trade in India was controlled by the Parsis . Some of them also started the Indigenous shipping and the Wadia Mazagaon /Sassoon docks.

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    The King pin of the Parsi lot was JJ or Sir Jamsedjee Jeejeebhoy ( 1753 to 1859 ). He shared his spoils with the British , was their middle-man, and did their dirty work—so they knighted him in 1842 –and made him a Baron in 1857.


    He partnered Jardine and Matheson in HongKong to be the leaders of the biggest drug cartel in the world. He was one of the 6 directors of the Bank of Bombay, in addition to owning ships, agencies, brokering houses, and commercial clearing houses.
    JJ was born in India in 1783, to a impoverished weaver in Yatha Yahu Vairyo Muhalla near Crawford market Mumbai. --and soon became an orphan. Till the age of 16 he had NO formal education. Then he burst into the big league of drug running. He visited China on East India company ships. He was also called Battliwala, as he lived with his uncle Framjee who dealt in recycled garbage bottles .
    At the age of 20 he married Batliwala’s 10 year old daughter Avibhai.
    He was the first to be knighted from India and made a Baron, by a grateful queen Victoria—as he held the moolah.
    JJ was initiated into the opium trade by another Parsi by the name of Hirji Readymoney. Hirji has small ships smuggling opium to Canton in 1755. His sudden wealth and splurge earned him the nickname Ready money. Soon Pestonji Bomanji Wadia from Parel , Cowasji, Petit, Patel, Mehta , Modi, Cama ,Tata etc joined them . Wadia built the Cusrow baug, Lal Baug, Navroz baug and Ness baug.

    See "freedom fighter" Madame Cama below. Her lawyer husband Rustom Cama and her Patel parents were in the drug business.

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    JJ made several trips to Canton by ship , with his chinese servants. He became close friends with Jardine in 1805 on a trip to China. Parsis monopolized the Malva opium. On one of his trips he met Matheson who was being held captive by the French in China.
    In 1859 Nussarwanji Tata floated the firm Jamsetji and Ardeshir in Hong Kong with two other partners to import opium.
    A Bagdadhi jew by the name of Sassoon (blood relative of Rothschild family ) gave the Parsis stiff competition in the drug trade. He built Sassoon docks, Elphinstone college, Sassoon library and Flora fountain.

    One of our Ex- Naval Chief of Staff Admiral Samson is a Bagdhadi jew. By 1860 Sassoon left the Parsis behind as the Rothschild Jews favoured another blood relative Jew for the secretive and cut throat Opium trade, rather than Ex-Persians.

    The first Opium war started because Sassoons opium was confiscated by the Chinese emperor. An outraged Sassoon had the clout and the arm twisting ability to force the Queen to battle for him. He could expose any high ranking British authority or Royalty —as they were hand in glove with him.

    After losing this war China had to cede Hong Kong to the British for them to have a launching pad for drugs—this was run by the Triad drug cartel ( all free masons ).
    Wadia came all the way to my hometown to buy Malabar teak for building ships for the queen at Mazagaon docks .


    THE WORLD FAMOUS CUTTY SARK BUILT IN 1869 WAS A OPIUM SMUGGLER, MADE OF TEAK WOOD FROM MY HOMETOWN-- CALICUT OF MALABAR. This ship was the Concorde of the sea -- could never be overtaken and pirated! She was on the Shanghai tea run.

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    By the age of 39 JJ was a billionaire by todays standards. By 1800 Parsis owned half of Bombay—they invested in land.
    As he became older he became respectable and built all the JJ buildings of Mumbai—JJ arts, JJ architecture, JJ commercial art , JJ hospital, Mahim causeway etc. See JJ's picture below.

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    He was close to the British governor of Bombay Sir Robert Grant for whom built the Grant Hospital, for diplomatic protection . No wonder the British loved him.
    After the opium trade went PHUTT they shifted to cotton trade and became respectable mill owners.
    Jardine Matheson group is still the Largest Conglomerate group in Hong Kong. We all know who controls Mumbai . Jardine and Matheson had met in 1818 at Canton.
    American Elihu Yale used Chinese opium money to fund Yale university.
    THE DRUG TRAFFICKING DONE BY THE WEST , DWARFS THE PUNY COLUMBIAN CARTEL.


    Some of these drug runner statues are sprinkled across Mumbai. To show that they are still highly revered philanthropists, the Parsis keep fresh magazines/ newspapers for selling, and then take photos, when it appears that a well dressed man is indeed bowing to the statue in reverence.

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    But in the 1830s and 40s’ they also owned and developed many of Bombay’s quintessential suburbs. Cursetji Maneckji owned Anik, Dhakji Dadaji owned Versova, Framji Cowasji (Powai estate), Jamestji Bomanji (Vile Parle, Juhu); Cursetji Cowasji (Goregaum); Ratanji Edulji (Ghatkopar).
    MNS the Marathi Manoos torchbearers should realise that Bihari Opium also built Mumbai, and so they have a right to live there.

    The Bengal opium centre was Rangpur, ( in Bangladesh now ).

    Raja Ram Mohan Roy was the British East India Company resident accountant for Opium accounts--from where he embezelled money.
    Dwarkendranath Tagore ( the grandfather of Rabindranath Tagore from Calcutta ) , Raja Ram Mohan Roy ( Rangpur, Bangladesh ) and Ghanshyam Birla ( from Calcutta ) were some of the drug trafficking agents and stooges of Rothschild in the East part of India.

    In 1910, Sir Sarupchand Hukumchand , a front for Rothschild , bought opium for Rs 25 lakh and sold it for Rs 2 crore, a seven-fold profit. This was a huge amount in those days. With the profit he went into textile and jute mills.. And in those days you cannot get knighted without Rothschild’s approval.

    His son Sir Seth Hukum Chand Jain too was knighted and was known as the “cotton prince” of India . In his later life, Seth Hukam Chand gave up wearing of expensive clothes, jewellery studded with precious jems etc., and switched to simple clothes, and embraced spiritualism.


    BITS Pilani Univeristy was founded by Ghanshyam Das Birla using Opium drug money in 1929-- as was the fashion , in those days. GD Birla was knighted by a grateful Rothscild at the age of 32. He was known to tell Gandhiji what to do, next.

    Parsi opium drug runner SIR Cowasjee Jehangir Readymoney made Elphinstone College. He also made a big part of Mumbai University. See his picture below. He got knighted for making a fantastic fountain at Regents parl London.

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    Opium drug runner Jamshedji Nusserwanji Tata made the Indian Institute of Science in 1911. Opium drug runner Hormusjee Modi made Hongkong University in 1911.

    There are thousands of Opium records in US universities funded by Opium money like Yale University, Columbia University , Princeton University, Harward University, Carnegie Melon University , Chicago University, John Hopkins School of Pubic health, Rockfeller University and Ivy League universities, still being exhumed and researched

    Let us NOT be under any illusion that building prestigious colleges is a philantropic exercise. Say, if you own a prestigious Medical College , many powerful members of the society, like politicians, police, judges, income tax officers will want to get free admission cirumventing merit-- this is how you grab the ultimate intoxicating power.

    Bottom line: All said and done, Indians are grateful to the likes of TATA , who have proved to be patriotic and exemplary Indians .
    The current generation will NOT be aware of what their forefathers did. In any case TATA has atoned the sins of their forefathers by being philanthropists of the first order -- with an exemplary core value of corporate ethics.
     
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    Good for you.... Bcz then you will be very active on forum world due to no work. All forums are accessible from here :thank_you2:
     
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    The Parsis did indeed use their influence to make business deals that the British otherwise disallowed of colonial subjects, but they were then able to found some of the first Indian owned and operated industries of the colonial era, and also to achieve representation for India in British parliament.

    It's true they sort of made a deal with the devil, so to speak, at least in the minds of many Indians alive today. But the Parsis weren't unique in this respect either. While many Indians did resist British rule, the British came to power not thru military invasion, but because many Muslim and even Hindu rulers and princes were willingly bought off by British colonialists.

    It is India's prerogative to hold a grudge against the British or whomever else it desires, but let's not stab ourselves in the foot every time we feel like we have a score to settle.
    Our priorities should always mirror that of what a high-tech, scientific, intellectual society would pursue given our circumstances. That means industrial growth always comes first. There will always be opportunities to take back what we've lost later.
     
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    Do you work there?? :troll:
     
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    Wikipedia is not the champion of true knowledge or free speech, just like UNHRC is not the beacon of Human Rights. They're all shams meant for influencing your thoughts politically by disarming you from questioning their authority mentally.
     
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    [MENTION=6253]vstol jockey[/MENTION] I think you might be interested in this bit of news since you know of CIA and Rockfeller controlled Ivy League colleges.

    As per this link,Ratan tat has joined the Carnegie Endowment for International peace.He is also,connected with the Harvard University,which is reported to be a front of the CIA.Sunil B harti Mittal is also a member of the Carnegie Endowment,in addition to being,a member Trilateral Commission,Asia Pacific.Narayanamurthy of Infosys,is also reported to be a member of the Trilateral.

    Rockefeller Group/Foundation, has started a campaign with Vummidiars of Chennai….
     
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