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IAF Airborne Early Warning Systems - A-50EI Phalcon, DRDO Netra AEW&C, DRDO AWACS

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  1. Agent_47

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    Russia and India have signed a contract for the supply of A-50EI early warning and control (AWACS) aircraft, President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar told TASS on Feb. 14 on the sidelines of theAero India 2017 air show.

    Slyusar did not specify the number of aircraft covered by the contract.

    In 2003, India bought three A-50 aircraft.

    A-50 is used for detection and tracking of air targets and surface ships and alerting military command of air and surface threats. The aircraft can also serve as an airborne command post.

    A-50EI is an upgraded version of the plane with Israeli-made EL/W-2090 radar designed specially for the Indian Air Force.

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2017/02/15/india-to-buy-russian-awacs-aircraft_702488
     
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    Aero India-2017: IAF inducts first indigenously developed surveillance plane

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    The Indian Air Force inducted its first indigenously developed airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) system, mounted on a Brazilian Embraer-145 jet, on Tuesday ramping up its capability to detect enemy aircraft and missiles.

    The Netra AEW&C system has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and has a range of around 200 km.

    The aircraft was handed over to the IAF on the opening day of Asia’s largest air show Aero India-2017, more than six years behind schedule. Over 550 defence and aerospace firms, including 279 foreign companies, are taking part in the biennial event being held at the Yelahanka air force base.

    “The induction of the AEW&C aircraft is the highlight of the airshow for the air force. We need to swiftly scale up our airborne surveillance capabilities,” a senior IAF officer said.

    India inked a $208-million contract for three Brazil-built Embraer-145 planes in 2008 as part of a DRDO programme to scale up the IAF’s AEW&C capabilities. The deal was in the news last year due to kickback allegations.

    The IAF currently operates three Israeli Phalcon airborne warning and control system (AWACS) mounted on Russian IL-76 heavy-lift planes and there are plans to buy two more. The system has a range of 400km. The numbers are not enough to cover the eastern and western sectors during offensive operations.

    In 2015, the defence ministry accorded its acceptance of necessity, the first step towards making an acquisition, for a $760-million project involving mounting two such indigenously developed surveillance systems on the European Airbus A330 platform.

    India is considering a proposal to buy a total of six A330 aircraft on which the AWACS may be mounted, taking the value of the deal to around $2.5 billion. The first such aircraft could be inducted by 2025.

    The radar system to detect far-off targets will be developed by the DRDO. Airbus Defence & Space was the only bidder for the AWACS India programme, making it the first single vendor project to be cleared by the NDA government.

    The AWACS is a robust monitoring system that provides 360-degree coverage, compared to AEW&C’s 240-degree capability. The AWACS also has better range and endurance.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...lance-plane/story-UxyMeY9oH4XvamNEd9JNTP.html
     
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    India may buy 6 Airbus aircraft for AWACS
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    India is likely to place orders worth ₹20,000 crore with Airbus to buy six A330 aircraft to mount the indigenously-built Airborne Warning and Control Systems (AWACS).

    DRDO Chairman S Christopher, addressing reporters on the sidelines of Aero India international seminar, said, “Currently the order to buy Airbus aircraft is before the Cabinet Committee on Security.”

    “We are hopeful that within six months we will get the clearances and the first aircraft will be ready for handing over to the Indian Air Force (IAF) in less than 84 months after signing the contract.”

    Before the Airbus buys for full-scale deployment of AWACS, IAF is shortly to induct indigenously one developed by the Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) in Bengaluru. The one being inducted is built on Brazilian-made Embraer-145 aircraft that would be handed over to the IAF on February 14 at the Aero India 2017.

    According to Christopher, CCS had, in 2014, given the go ahead to tender for the aircraft in which AWACS systems would be fitted and following a global competition, Airbus 330 was selected. In all, six aircraft will be secured for the AWACS.

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    Explaining the salient features of AWACS, he said, “The present one developed on Embraer-145 aircraft has 240 degree surveillance and a coverage area of 240 km but when mounted on Airbus it will have 360 degree surveillance with a coverage area of 300 km.”

    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...-airbus-aircraft-for-awacs/article9537622.ece
     
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  4. Inactive

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    So, A-330s back? Then refuellers shift to Airbus 330 too or remain with IL-78 configuration?

    On side note:

    @Abingdonboy

    join IAF. Get type rated on A-330:biggthumpup:

    On AWACS you can notch up hours of boring flying
     
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    Back?
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    The IAF are issuing a tender for the THIRD time for AARs, now the KC-46 will also take part, I fully expect the A330 MRTT to win for the THIRD time especially with AWACS (INDIA) getting up and running. It would make sense to have maximum commonality within the IAF and besides Airbus are setting up massive MRO infrastructure in India.

    Poor Russians don't stand a chance!

    Lol, some young aspiring pilots definetly have a bright future ahead with the IAF by 2030 there could/would be over 20 A330s in service with the IAF alone and perhaps 3-4 with the IN also.
     
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    Buying A330 under FMS for AWACS and MRTT makes sense later work on offet
     
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    Makes sense for the AWACS, for AAR it makes sense to go for this open bid now the GoI has cancelled it for a SECOND time (FFS!), a Boeing vs Airbus fight will be very hard fought and could exctract some very nice "sweetners" out of Airbus.
     
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    Commonality of spares will not help mate?? having A330 in both AWACS & MRTT platform

    Yup same thing can be said about IL-76 but after sales issue
     
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    - Netra is not actually the name of the AEW&C plane but the project's callsign
    - Negotiations for the A330-200s for AWACS (INDIA) are complete (guess just waiting for CCS clearance now
    -50 private Indian companies involved in the project

    + very apparent the IAF is pretty uninterested in this type of AWACS (limited endurance, limited detection range and scope), the Netra project is simply a test bed for bigger and better things (AWACS (INDIA)) but hopefully some revenue can be gained by selling a few to friendly nations. For most users, this system will be more than enough.

    Damn divas in the IAF again :p


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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Of course it would be the logical thing to do, but since when has India worked logically bro!
     
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    Think the earlier reason for the A330 MRTT wasn't cleared was due to objection from the finance ministry over the price (?) Hope this time round this isn't a issue. Just stupid to see that a tender being issued so many times :(

    On the Netra ... Reports did say that 2 systems will be inducted in the IAF while the 3 frame will be remain with CABS for further development. I do see the IAF ones will be used as a plug in the gaps system or even for training BUT a very useful system. The CABS frame , the possibilities are endless including the development of modes for maritime surveillance for eg : similar to the Global AEW&C

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    http://saab.com/air/airborne-solutions/airborne-surveillance/globaleye/
     
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    Can somebody clarify if the total no of AWACS , we plan to have will be 3 + 2 +6 ?

    The first figure 3 refers to the Phalon we possess.The figure 2 refers to the 2 additional Phalon for which CCS granted their approval to be mated with IL 76 or A330 (?).
    Finally , there's the 6 nos which DRDO proposes to deliver to the IAF onwards of 2025.

    I'm not including the Netra AEW in the above count at all .

    There seems to be some confusion here with respect to the total no of AWACS we will have by 2030 timeline .
     
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    The 2 additional Phalcon are to be mated to the IL76 with the frames already been delivery to israel

    The 6 yet to be decided are to be installed with DRDO systems

    The time line is ambiguous. All depends on whether DRDO is able to delivery
     
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    Discounting the ERJ-145 based AEW&C, by 2030 there will be 13 AWACS in service with the IAF (3+2+6+2). There are 3 EL/M-2090 Phalcons in service, another 2 on order (all will be based on the A-50 platform, none on the A330) and DRDO is now working on the AWACS (INDIA) based on A330-200 platform of which the IAF has commited to for 6 units but their total demand is for 8. 2030 is a while away though, the demands for the AWACS (INDIA) are only likely to increase by that time.
     
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    Scratch that, there is now talk of an additional 3-4 EL/M-2090 PHALCON AWACS beyond the 3+2 stated above. To be ordered by 2020 and delivered by 2023. To note, the AWACS (INDIA) should be delivered around 2024-5 so I guess the IAF doesn't want to have too large a gap between inductions. By 2030 there should be at least 15 AWACS based on wide body a/c with 360 degree track capability, supported by 2-6 smaller Netra-type systems. Not a bad fleet at all.

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