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IAF Airborne Early Warning Systems - A-50EI Phalcon, DRDO Netra AEW&C, DRDO AWACS

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  1. Abingdonboy

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    It is a very beautiful machine. Believe me i have seen it flying up close.:D
    This is a video shot by me of a Sukhoi 30 mki flying over my house. Sorry for the quality it is shot from a regular mobile camera.

    Yes. They fly that low.:punjabi:
     
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    AEW&C (Netra):

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    IAF couldn't leave the third in DRDO s hand ..:azn:
     
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    Happened to post a question in Trishul about why did the IAF opt for only 3 & if the IAF wanted 360 ° coverage , why did they go in for the Netra in the first place. PSK responded with a dry -The DRDO had to begin somewhere & added that they would be exploring the export market with ( & this is damn interesting ) Embraer doing the marketing dor the entire system .Sounds like a bloody shame !!
     
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    PSK is spot on, there's no way LRDE/CABS could immediately produce a PHALCON-like AWACS with 360" coverage and >400km range, they needed to hone their skills somehwere and begin with a more modest project-crawl, walk then run. The Netra project was a good tech demonstrator and in that sense it is pretty fortunate the IAF has inducted any of them, it wouldn't be all that hard to imagine these divas (I jest) demanding nothing but the AWACS (India) and refusing to induct these stepping stones.

    + the Embraer marketing is just good business from them- they will be able to market their ERJ-145 platform to more customers now and be able to offer a more diverse portfolio (both the ERIEYE and Netra AEW solutions). It would be quite the coup for DRDO to get an export order for the Netra and would mark a real coming of age. But being realistic there is a very small market for such systems so the chances are slim, that said, the Netra system is going to be FAR more marketable/appealing on the open market than the FAR more expensive and complex AWACS (India) so this is another benefit of developing the Netra.


    It will be a huge shame if India only inducts 2 (I think it is pretty likely the DRDO/CABS will retain the 3rd for themselves). Most other nations would be more than happy to have such a system and I think there is a requirement (albeit somewhat limited) to have a smaller AEW system that can perhaps be foreward deployed to fill in any gaps in the coverage of the "big boys" (PHALCON and AWACS (India) ).

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    The P8I features a Telephonics APS-143 OceanEye at radar and a AN/APY-10 surface search radar. Both are fitted to the underside of the MPA (P-8) and are optimised for scanning over open water and specifically for periscopes and small boats. The APY-10 features a SAR and ISAR (these are not features found on AWACS/AEW) that are primarily focused on scanning for airborne targets (probably with a larger RCS). Also consider that AEW&C/AWACS will tend to fly far higher than an MPA and thus will be able to cover a larger area than an MPA but perhaps not to the same detail.

    That said, LRDE have claimed to have been able to track a ship (size unknown) at >350km with the Netra AEW&C.

    So for small maritime targets the belly radars on MPA are more suited but there is a role for AEW/AWACS in some cases in the maritime domain.


    @PARIKRAMA @Gessler will be able to tell you more I'm sure, this is just my uninformed opinion.
     
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    Maybe the ICG should be looking at this system for the future, during testing the Netra was able to detect 500 ships in one mission off the West coast:

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    Not a bad capability to have at all especially post-26/11.
     
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    IAF’s 2nd base for radar planes ready for take-off in Bathinda
    Published March 28, 2017
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    The Indian Air Force’s second airbase for operating airborne early warning and control systems (AEW&CS) aircraft that has come up at the Bhisiana Air Force Station near Bathinda in Punjab is ready for operations.

    The infrastructural and support facilities built up at the airbase by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) for the AEW&CS are complete and the new complex within the airbase is expected to be handed over to the Air Force next month, IAF sources said.

    The base will house indigenous AEW&CS developed by the DRDO, which is christened Netra and was showcased at the Republic Day Parade as well as the Aero India show earlier this year. A fighter, unmanned aerial vehicle and a missile squadron are also based at Bhisiana. The other IAF base to operate AEW&CS is Agra, home to the A-50 AWACS, which are Israeli Phalcon systems integrated with a modified Russian IL-76 heavy-lift aircraft.

    The DRDO’s Bengaluru-based Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) has developed three such systems that are mounted on the Brazilian Embraer ERJ 145 aircraft. Two of the aircraft would be based at Bhisiana while the third will remain positioned at the CABS for research and development, sources said.

    Another six such systems are reported to have been ordered, with the IAF’s total requirement in this category projected at 20 platfroms.

    AWACS are force multipliers and can cover a huge swath of airspace, look deep into the enemy territory and detect enemy aircraft and missiles right from the launch phase, besides intercepting communication signals. Their flying altitude gives them an advantage over ground-based radar and they can provide a real time battlefield picture to commanders for decision making and counter air operations.

    At present, the IAF has three A-50s with another two in the pipeline. The DRDO has also launched a new project to build larger and more capable AWACS than the Netra. Initially, two such AWACS aircraft will be developed, with four more to follow subsequently. The IAF is also looking at western platforms like the Boring 767 and Airbus 330 for future planes. China and Pakistan also operate different types of AEW&CS.

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    when we should order in 20 we order in 2.. its frustrating.
     
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    Sadly pride comes before security of the nation as it seems. It's more important to let the Emb Awacs fly on airshows, than alongside our borders and instead of ordering more of them, we fell for DRDOs next fancy project to develop a bigger AWACS version. The problem is, that the's aircrafts only can be a force multiplier when we have appropriate numbers to cover all border areas 24/7 and that's not possible anytime soon.
     
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    yes that's the issue.. but hope all will be remedied soon.
     
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    The IAF NEVER wanted a static antenna 240' AEW&C system based on a narrow body a/c, they always wanted a EL/M-2090 PHALCON type AWACS but there was no way the LRDE could develop it outright and needed to develop the Netra first as a stepping stone to AWACS (INDIA). In that sense the Netra project is a technology demonstrator and it is fortunate the IAF has ordered/inducted any of them, thanks to the IAF's support the LRDE has built up immense capabilities and will move on to bigger and better things.

    It is easy to bash the IAF but they have the right to set their own requirements and incidentally, their funds paid for for the third ERJ-145 Netra AEW&C that will be retained by LRDE exclusively for their future development efforts.
     
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