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IAF Airborne Early Warning Systems - A-50EI Phalcon, DRDO Netra AEW&C, DRDO AWACS

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Agent_47, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Yup, it has EL/W-2085 with very short scanning rate of 4sec.
    But when you are to much sensitive to term like aew&c, aew&cs , AWACS etc , at the same time you come with CAEW to increase the mess.
    More range for what?
    I said it only for air to air scanning which is 350km to 400km for MKI where as P-8i have 370km (as per hellfire) and 180km (as per DRDO scientist). So, where it has lower hand against P-8i.

    Put your ego aside and stop manipulating the facts.
     
  2. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    He can do anything here.
    He might come with a WW2 reconnaissance aircraft with a claim that "it was better than AWACS"

    He is truly using his "Right to Expression".
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Nope. That has nothing to do with range.

    No one with enough knowledge will be confused. Abbreviations mean nothing, only equipment does.

    And as far as equipment is concerned, the Gulfstream CAEW is a generation ahead compared to the Phalcon. The P-8I has a similar advantage over the Phalcon simply because it was developed 5-10 years later.

    What do you think about this one?
    [​IMG]

    This is also Phalcon. Made by the same company that made our Phalcon and the Gulfstream CAEW.

    All three figures you posted mean different things.

    The advertised range for MKI is something else.
    The range Hellfire gave is something else.
    The range DRDO Chief gave is something else.

    Here's one example. The Phalcon's range is 150Km. What do you get out of it? The Phalcon's range is also 650Km. What do you get out of it? Meaning, what questions would you ask when you see those ranges. Both those numbers mean different things.

    :lol:

    Dude, no one is manipulating anything, you simply don't understand the facts.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It appears that the DRDO scientist you referred to probably got his units wrong. Just replace Kms with NM and you will be fine.
     
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  5. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    It might be possible.
    But either its 180km or 200Nm both are still less than 400kms which is maximum claimed range for air to air scanning by Su-30MKI.
    It can also perform as mini-AWACS very effectively but Mr. Random makes random choices to mix-up the posts more effectively .
     
  6. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Plz visit your previous posts when you pointed out my post for a typo

    I already posted a detailed report for IAI PHALCON 707


    Neither DRDO scientist nor hellfire give range of MKI. It was for P-8i.
    One of the example of fact manipulation
     
  7. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Ain't no typo. Nobody cares about typos. You make factual errors.

    Wow, man. You have some serious reading issues.

    Where did I say that? You gave me three numbers, I told you all three numbers are supposed to be different, that's it.

    I noticed you haven't answered a single question I asked. And all are extremely simple. This time quote my post again and answer all the questions I asked. They are all extremely simple.
     
  8. X_Killer

    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Oh! You shared those numbers?
    But where?
    Congratulations that you find all questions extremely simple which are still not clear to you. First of all learn more about the factual data about all platforms. Good luck..
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    You already didn't make much sense before, and not it's even worse.

    Sure, keep believing MKI = P-8I.

    Do me a favour and don't reply to my posts. It'll save you the hassle because I'll be ignoring it.
     
  10. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Anyone who makes this statement very clearly shows that he has no knowledge of either SU-30MKI or of P-8I.
    @X_Killer, pls understand that you are trying to compare a dedicated AWAC with a multirole platform dedicated to marine warfare with A2A detection as an additional ability. AWAC can't do the job of a dedicated marine hunter. P-8I is a not just a dedicated marine hunter but also an attack aircraft with ability to direct fighters like an AWAC with slightly lower range.
    Let me ask you one question. Can Phalcons attack any of the targets that they detects on land or over sea? Can they fire ASMs and Torpedoes and also fire stand off Land Attack Missiles? Do P-8I need dedicated fighter escorts like Phalcons need? Bro, a platform is not judged on just one parameter alone. A platform must be multidimensional. And to clarify some more things to you. P-8I will soon emerge better than Phalcons even in A2A department with under slung AESA SAR A2A radar. It will overcome the shortcomings of a top mounted Rotodome which has blind spots as the radar will be mounted below the aircraft nose between the nose wheel and main wheels. The world will forget Rotodomes after that. Have you seen the kind of radars which IN & CG DO-228s carry? They are primarily for searching surface targets but they give a fantastic coverage in that mode/role. Now imagine a similar radar capable of detecting surface, subsurface and airborne targets?
     
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    @randomradio @X_Killer

    Su-30 MKI: Radar N011M - N011M has a search range of 350 km and a tracking range of 200 km, with 60 km in the rear in the air-to-air mode. Detection range fighter type MIG-29 in area of review of over 300 sq. deg: - on towards course - up to 140 km; - in pursuit of - up to 60 km. So, a Boeing 747 will be detected upto 350 Kms. Up to 15 air targets can be tracked at once in track while scan mode with 4 of these engaged at once.

    @X_Killer: For Su-30 MKI, the air-to-surface mode the radar is capable of detecting ground and naval based moving targets, determining their location and maintaining a track on two surface targets at once. The N011 is capable of detecting group of tanks target to a maximum range of 40– 50 km and a destroyer sized target to a range of 80–120 km.

    http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/8380399

    http://docshare03.docshare.tips/files/27666/276660877.pdf

    http://www.cassindia.com/index.php?id=52&&task=military

    https://docslide.us/documents/bars-radar.html
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @Hellfire, you are forcing me to come out with details. Actually P-8I does not need to go active to fire on the ships. It has far too superior geolocation ability compared to even Rafale. And same is the case about hunting down subs which are snorkelling or within 60m below the surface. It can detect and prosecute them passively.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Details need not be brought out. Anything not in open source need not be. Hence, my ranges have been in tandem with stated range of AN/APY 10 range in open source.
     
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  14. X_Killer

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    N011M ensures a 20 m resolution detection of large sea targets at a distance up to 400 km, and of small size ones - at a distance of 120 km.
    http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html
     
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    X_Killer Captain FULL MEMBER

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    If you goto previous pages than you will find that mr.random manipulate my post as Su-30MKI=P-8i. I never claimed that.
    I only said that MKI can perform like mini-AWACS with a decent scanning range of upto 400km (for aerial targets).

    But someone here presenting P-8i as most superior over all early warning Aircrafts available and for every area of operation (land, water and air).
     

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