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IAF Chronicles - A side view of whats going on behind the closed doors in New Delhi

Discussion in 'Defence Analysis' started by PARIKRAMA, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Also, the Mig 27/Jaguar replacement, in the infinite wisdom of our planners, is being looked at by augmenting the number of UCAV squadrons along with Drones!!! Interesting, ain't it?

    Also increasing IAF's holding of Ballistic Missiles ... heard that Prithvis are being replaced from IAF inventory too
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Marut pahsed out as we could not get an engine
    The aerodynamic designing rated it at 2 mach .... engine was underpowered. So the stupid excuse of LCA delay due to lack of expertise is ......... well , unpalatable.
     
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  3. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Marut as an aerodynamic design was far ahead of its time and it was allowed to die early. Two of the most outstanding designs of the world-Marut and Mirage F1 had 50* sweepback wings. There is something very strange about this sweepback angle. I did lot of research and what I found is what I posted on LSA thread to justify me decision to have same 50* sweepback for LSA.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I'm surprised at how Shiv could make such a mistake. The only way we will have 31 squadrons by 2025 is if all the 123 LCAs are inducted by then, along with the 2 Rafale squadrons. Without the LCAs and Rafales, by 2027, we will only have 23 squadrons. So the actual shortfall is 19 squadrons.

    If we use Shiv's numbers, with 2 LCAs, 2 Rafales and 5 Gripens, we will have 32 squadrons. So the shortfall is 10 squadrons, not merely 4.

    This number doesn't include attrition replacement either.

    It's impossible by 2027, but to get to minimum 42 squadrons by 2032, we need 123 LCAs, 162 Rafales and 114 Gripens. Again, without attrition. But these numbers are the absolute minimum, you can mix and match the Rafale and Gripen to your convenience.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    I have always found this argument "LCA is better than the Mig-21" nonsense hilarious. The LCA will have to fight the J-20.

    Another equally hilarious argument is "LCA is better than the JF-17, so it can be used against the JF-17".
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Its not only hilarious but also shows that the people who call themselves expert journos have no clue of how air battles are fought. Gone are the day of Arjan Singh when the air chief wud call up his opposite and decide the areas of operations. No one is going to call you up and tell you-we have sent JF-17 so you shud send LCA.
     
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    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    And what makes the author think we are not anymore?
     
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    BlackOpsIndia Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Just saw the report in Hindi media about US dropping precondition to act against LeT to release the aid and only acting against Taliban remains as pre condition.

    US is continuously backtracking on either Tech transfer or acting against Pakistan. There is literally nothing US did against Pakistan after that clowns speech but to give more gifts, aids, killing enemies of Pakistan.

    Is this the kind of security outsourcing PMO expecting? Also its very hard to believe that Modi and Doval are pursuing different strategy for security and they actually differ on something!

    I don't see any concrete step by USA beside bullshit speeches to facilitate a deal of $25 billion magnitude! Are you sure it's PMO behind those articles and not US propagandists?
     
  10. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    Bcz what the fight is about, its huge in terms of financial numbers... NSA Doval wanted PM Modi for more stringency in deal making with contours favoring India more., Its for the same reason NSA finally went to french side seeking a better deal. With frecnh response of the pact and access to all the tech, effectively NSA had now put the PMO and establishment in a catch 22,

    Moreover there is a verbal agreement by PM Modi with POTUS which will get translated into a concrete written agreement with a call letter .. A call letter which was to be issued two months back and which was the main agenda of US Tillerson visit. Its delayed only bcz , all the stake holders not in agreement with PMO.

    Pakistan is history (a fact i wanted to avoid) with a plan of granting Avenger Drones and India taking over the joint strikes over the Terror land allowing India as well to target the terror camps ...

    Regarding American establishment bad mouthing Tejas or LM doing.. it does not need to.. If you look around ihen our defence reporting. you will find pro articles and also masked shots in favour of them.. teh propaganda "SP will enable Tata" talks is a testament of all these news trying to portray positive side of the deal.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    @PARIKRAMA, as I had stated that these are early days for IN reqts and placing orders for Rafale-M. let the final configuration of IAC-2 be out. Its still not frozen and IAC-1 might end up with DCNS arrester gear if russians refuse to modify svetlana gear.
     
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    Ironhide IDF NewBie

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    This is a big joke, there is no way Pakistan will allow India to do Joint Strikes via Avenger drones, they will shoot down the drones. There is nothing we will get out of this security co-operation with USA other than few hollow, useless statements. USA has even dropped LeT name from their Pakistan Aid precondition with only Haqqani network and Afghan Taliban remaining in the list.
     
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  13. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    this will only result in greater animosity of Pakistani public which will lead to greater integration of Pakistan with Arab world and China. the approach should be to try and break the alliance between Pak and China too..

    it will give more fodder to the likes of Hafeez Saeed "look - India is bombing us - we need to go to war with India".
     
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    _Anonymous_ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    There's absolutely no way the China Pak Nexus can be broken till you snap the umbilical cord binding it which is the piece of land connecting Pakistan to China . This unholy alliance was forged to combat India .What makes you think they'd end the alliance before they accomplish their mission ?

    In so far as air strikes against terror camps in Pakistan go , it's the softer option that Modi seems to have considered as against the harder option to de nuclearise Pakistan and seize PoK. OTOH who knows if the surgical strikes thru drones is the first step in the escalatory ladder which will eventually culminate in de nuclearising Pak and seizing PoK.
     
  15. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    no friendship or enimity is long lasting. Pak fought against Russia not too long ago in Afg.
    its on us to figure out ways to break the Pak China nexus whichever way possible - for our own security.

    there are many ways to do that - make the cost of the alliance unbearable to one of the folks.
    unless we break the Pak China nexus or we have made ourselves stronger than both put together, forget about POK.
     
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