IAF modernisation plan: Saab offers Gripen fighter jets under 'Make in India' with full control

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  1. The Drdo Guy
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    Sonia and Antony has done enough damage to our country....And if you are talking about war prepardness, we have 6 MBT's(don't confuse with all tanks) in march 1971 and by november we were ready to fight a two front war...In 2002 we don't have enough ammo after parliament attack but we filled it up within two months to fight a full fledged war against pakistan....India which voted Modi to power is young India with a different attitude and not that "sarkar hamari mai baap hai" attitude..Youth found this PM as a man of their generation using Social media etc. Tell me which politician has used social media that effectively....Now Sonia/Rahul has no future in this country(fingers crossed)...And If they come to power then another darkest era will start..
     
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    You can trace the owners of most the media, you'll find the name Rupert Murdoch, who was the slave runner for East India Company. Rothschild was the owqner of the East India Company. That is why there is a blanket on this family's role in politics. Why this is not discussed in acadamia, because these "universities" were founded by them, including the League of Nations and the fraud called Hauge Tribunal.

    Regarding thee Central Bank of Libya, it was run by Gaddafi and gave 0 interest loans for national projects. The terrorist founded a new Central Bank of Libya which was controlled or part of the BIS systerm. The othjer one gave no repo deposits to the BIS, this one did.
     
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    As i requested you, explain every point in brief so that i can get the abcd of what you are talking about? You are really an intresting guy doctor..I've never had a conversation with a guy like you ever since i had started blogging, netsurfing...
     
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    Powerful people come and go, theirs no Jewish Conspiracy that rules the world or the banking Industry. Most of the world media is owned by stock holders and run by professionals.
     
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    I just named those "stock holders" - Murdoch and Co.
     
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    Murdoch was a Christian, not Jewish, from Australia, emigrated to USA in the 80s.
     
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    Really I cannot. It is beyond the scope, I cannot possibly give a detailed explanation, it'll take too much time.

    But regarding the Libyan bank, this should make it clear who was behind the "revolution" in Libya:
    The Libyan Central Bak was 100% owned by their govt. itself, that is to say, Gadaffi before the revolution. It undertook a lot of project for he people at 0 interest. Now the new bank that the terrorists founded in Libya, like our own foreign controlled Central bank, which displaced their old nationally controlled central bank, is owned by Rothschild family, indirectly through BIS international framework (nickname for Central Bank of Central Banks).
    Now the thing about this system is, the so called new Central Bank of Libya pays repo rates to BIS, or it pays a tax amount to BIS for no reason, just like our own. There is a system called repo rates, which means the banks in a nation has to pay a certain amount to the central bank of the nation. And this central bank of the nation has to pay a certain amount of repo rates to the Central Bank f Central Banks or BIS bank owned by Rothschild.

    I'm simply repeating what I stated before.

    Not just that, this new central bank in Libya, including our own, charges interest to the money they loan out to their own govts. So now you understand the difference between a nationally owned nationally controlled for the people bank (which will not charge interest for national projects done for the benefit of people and also doesn't pay any repo rates to BIS) an the foreign owned or foreign controlled central banks (which is what we also have) which charges interests for the loans that they give out even for national undertaking and also pay repo rates to BIS, which effectively puts a nation in debt.

    This system is what is used by international banks (also called merchant bankers) or really just Rothschild, Morgan bankers, since these names are just nicknames for them to keep their identity camaflauged from the public, to put nations into debt.

    The reason I mentioned Andrew Jackson is because he dismanteled this Central banking system in the 1800s in America and AMerica was without one untill Rothschild resurfaced in America in 1913 and started one again - the Federlal Reserve of America- which is a private bank masqurading as a public bank (just like our own Central bank).

    Modi can never fire Raghurm Rajan untill Bharat overthrows the Rothsild agents in Bharat and also becomes a militay power.

    Hitler's action against Jews were mere theatrics, there was no such thing, Hitler himself is a member of the Rothschild family, although a bastard son and unofficially. Some Jews were killed, this was to drive out all jews to Israel when it was formed. Or what would happen if Rothschild just declared creation of Israel and nobody came?? So the Jews were forcefully driven out of Europe. Zionist movement started before Hitler, it was declared somewhere in end 1800s that israel would be creaed by these families. And the jewish massacre was planned as part of a plan to drive the Jews to Israel. Hitler was funded to power by Rothschild family through their Warburg banking subsidiary in America.

    This is all basedon the political principle of "Problem, Reaction, Solution", also called the Hegelian Dialetic which was formed as a result of misinterpretation of a Samskritam slogam which said "win, win, win solutions" because they lacked knowledge in Samskritam.
     
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    You are the ones who mentioned Jewish Conspiracy. I never said anything about race. It is a western interest conspiracy, led by Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch, British Pirate Royals, Vatican, Morgan, etc. Jews are nothing more than pawns.
     
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    December 19, 2015: The heavy use of F-16s by Arab (Oman, Bahrain, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and United Arab Emirates) air forces over Syria, Iraq and Yemen has reminded many current and prospective users that the F-16 is quite effective as well as cheaper to buy, maintain and operate than most other modern jet fighters. Since the United States and Turkey also use the F-16 in the Middle East it is easy to equip these aircraft to communicate and operate with each other. It is also easier to operate F-16s out of any country that also has F-16s because all F-16 users have similar ground handling facilities and personnel trained to maintain the aircraft. As a result more orders for F-16s (new and used) are being received as well as more demand for upgrade work. Countries like Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who have never operated F-16s, are now interested as well.
    One of the more interesting new users is Iraq. In early September Iraqi F-16IQ fighter-bombers carried out their first combat missions, using smart bombs against several ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) targets. This came 16 months after the F-16IQ made its first flight. Four F-16IQs arrived in Iraq in July so that Iraqi pilots and maintainers could undertake final training in preparation for the first combat missions.

    The F-16IQ is a custom version of the single seat Block 52 F-16C and the two-seater F-16D. Between 2011 and 2014 Iraq ordered 36 F-16IQs. The F-16IQ is similar to American Block 52 F-16s except they are not equipped to handle AMRAAM (radar guided air-to-air missiles) or JDAM (GPS guided bombs). The F-16IQ can handle laser guided bombs and older radar guided missiles like the AIM-7.

    Iraq originally proposed buying F-16s in 2009 but nothing happened because at the last minute government officials were informed that putting money down for the warplanes would interrupt needed food purchases. If the food did not get paid for it would not arrive and there could be riots. So the F-16 purchase was delayed and it was feared that all Iraqi F-16IQs probably would not be ready for service until the end of the decade. All that changed in mid-2014 when ISIL took Mosul and much of western and northwestern Iraq. Now the F-16IQ had a much higher priority.

    The F-16 is currently the most popular fighter aircraft in service. The U.S. still has about 1,200 F-16s in service (about half with reserve units). Over 4,500 F-16s have been built so far, and delivered to 27 countries. America has hundreds in storage, available for sale on the used warplane market. The end of the Cold War in 1991 led to a sharp cut in U.S. Air Force fighter squadrons. Moreover, the new F-35 will be replacing all U.S. F-16s in the next decade. So the U.S. has plenty of little-used F-16s sitting around, and many allies in need of low cost jet fighters.

    F-16s are still produced for export, and these cost as much as $70 million each (like the F-16I for Israel). Some nations, like South Korea, build the F-16 under license. A used F-16C, built in the 1990s, would go for about $10 million on the open market. The 16 ton F-16 also has an admirable combat record, and is very popular with pilots. It has been successful at ground support as well. When equipped with 4-6 smart bombs it is an effective bomber.

    During The Cold War, Russia built over 10,000 MiG-21s, and the U.S over 5,000 F-4s, but since 1991, warplane manufacturing has plummeted about 90 percent. However, the F-16 has been popular enough to keep the production lines going strong.

    The U.S. F-16 is one of the most modified jet fighters in service. While most are still called the F-16C, there are actually six major mods, identified by block number (32, 40, 42, 50, 52, 60), plus the Israeli F-16I, which is a major modification of the Block 52. The F-16D is a two seat trainer version of F-16Cs. The various block mods included a large variety of new components (five engines, four sets of avionics, five generations of electronic warfare gear, five radars and many other mechanical, software, cockpit and electrical mods.)

    The most advanced F-16 is theF-16 Block 60. The best example of this is a special version of the Block 60 developed for the UAE (United Arab Emirates). The UAE bought 80 "Desert Falcons" (the F-16E) which is optimized for air combat. It is a 22 ton aircraft based on the Block 52 model (which the KF-16 was originally), but with an AESA (phased array) radar and lots of other additional goodies (what the upgraded KF-16 will largely be).
     
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    This is meant for a second MMRCA line.

    Rafale will be made here + another MMRCA + LCA + FGFA.
     
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    how will saab give us full access when most of the parts come from america ???

    and for the other guy who likes conspiracy theory . Here is a bone for you to chew on
     
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    Yes, it is a problem in some cases.

    In case of engine, we are getting cooperation on the engines for AMCA. The engine on the Gripen is inferior to what's on the AMCA, so it won't be a problem to get ToT if we get ToT for AMCA.

    Apart from that there are a lot of parts from the US on the Gripen which are not critical and can be sourced from other countries, or preferably from within India.

    Some other critical parts like the radar and IRST are from Italy. The Italians are open to significant ToT if we buy enough numbers.

    If we stick to getting equipment only from Sweden, US, Italy and France, then there should be very little problems in the long run.

    But Gripen for Make in India will be very complex due to the number of countries involved in it. We may have to deal with Brazil also.

    Whatever ToT Gripen is capable of providing to India, the other countries can too. What would be great is if they can deliver full ToT on everything except the engine.
     
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    Depending on USA is a bad idea . 2nd italy has always been a enemy to india . they oppose us everywhere . maybe they want to sell .but we should not fall in thier trap . the Basic reason for MAKE IN INDIA is that we dont have to deal with sanctions in times of war .
     
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    One of the main directives for Make in India is making aircraft for export also.

    So there are only two choices. That's Gripen and F-35. Both have very good chances in the export market unlike other aircraft. The teens have no chance, very old technology. Mig-35 will come with the usual problems with Russians + very old technology, but it has a little bit of export potential. Nobody will really buy the EF, too expensive and not advanced enough for the cost.

    The cheapest option is Gripen. The most expensive option is F-35. If we want to splurge, we should at least splurge on something that has export potential, like the F-35. If affordability is the problem, then Gripen is the obvious choice and has significant export potential.

    Flyaway cost
    F-35
    EF
    Rafale
    Gripen
    SH
    F-16
    Mig-35

    Operation cost
    F-35
    EF
    Rafale
    SH/Mig-35
    F-16
    Gripen - Said to be about half the cost of a F-16.

    The IAF chief also said that apart from Rafale, he wants an affordable MMRCA. That's why I think Gripen has a chance. The Italians won't have problems selling many of their radars and stuff. All their policies will make a U-turn with enough orders.
     

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