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IAF sticks with Pak-Fa ,lowers FGFA numbers

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  1. Steel

    Steel Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Indian air force recently cleared air on numbers on joint development of the Fifth generation fighter , which it is currently is been developing with Russia , in a joint partner ship with Sukhoi and HAL .

    When India had officially joined Russia in development of Pak-Fa , most of the design and scientific and engineering work on the aircraft had already been completed by the Russian side and not much development work was left for Indian partner HAL .

    IAF had earlier asked for a Twin seater variant of Pak-fa , dubbed in Indian media has FGFA (Fifth generation fighter aircraft), which could have a second pilot ,like the current Sukhoi Su 30 MKI in Indian air force fleet . second pilot dubbed navigator or Weapon Systems Officer (WSO) was brought in to reduce workload on the pilot .

    Initially plans were to acquire 50 Russian version Pak-Fa single seater variant and later develop Indian FGFA variant with twin seater ,which could be around 200 in numbers , but recently Indian air force put the figures of 5th generation fighter which it wants to induct has 166 PAK FA and 48 FGFA.

    which is a total turn around from its earlier plans , what made this happen ? was question , after contacting our sources , it was told to idrw.org that HAL variant of FGFA could take time to develop and it will also require some time to start production in India .

    FGFA variant at current orders stands at 48 aircraft’s , but sources informed that more will be added and number will touch upto 100 in future , but the at least for the first decade of its induction into India air force , will be PAk-Fa , but incorporate Indian weapons once local productions starts in India .

    FGFA will have Indian software and also European avionics and systems , along with Indian developed one .Indian air force will induct its first PAk-fa aircraft in 2017 onward and FGFA will see light of day post 2020


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  2. Steel

    Steel Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    I am confused by this news.:confused:
     
  3. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Good decision, so the induction of the fighters will be fast.
     
  4. Steel

    Steel Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^ I thought we where doing joint devlopement there..but it seems we are just financer
     
  5. aimarraul

    aimarraul 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    there is nothing to be confused about,it was india side bring up the concept of double-seater PAKFA,i bet russian never thought of this when they design PAKFA
     
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    aimarraul 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    there is a good chance that a double-seater will affect PAKFA's stealth and supersonic cruise performance,it's a mistake to add some excess burden just to make PAKFA looks more indian
     
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    So the priority is national security not indigenousness.

    Brilliant move.
     
  8. APD

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    So hal will make only 48.
    these 48 are fgfas or trainers?
     
  9. Vritra

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    "Looks more Indian"? Is that what you think the reason for the second seat is?

    The second seat was requested by the IAF because according to their performance requirements, a second pilot greatly enhances A2A and deep strike capacities, among many other reasons. "Looking Indian" has nothing to do with it. The performance deficit too was to be countered, so while engine performance might have suffered, the stealth would not be compromised to a noticable deal.

    Numbers of single-seaters have been boosted, and twin seats cut, that's it. Like SpArK pointed out, the priority is speed of induction at this point, which requires this switch. The twin-seat has not been abandoned, as the article clearly tells you.
     
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    vikas jat Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    but we dont want to see any delay in this project we r frustated with delays with russian products
     
  11. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    Good move.. now may be it will be inducted with only couple of years delay.:smokin:
     
  12. Manmohan Yadav

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    I know that already
     
  13. Shikari

    Shikari 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I am happy with this descision. I, personally, dislike double-seaters. The pilot, because he's flying the plane, instinctively knows how the plane is going to change directions before it does and can physically get ready for these maneuvers. However, unless the two people in the cockpit are in constant conversation, the other pilot will eventually be taken unawares. This is likely to happen in combat situations when sharp movements are necessary and pressure gets the better of many pilots.

    Being taken unawares by these high-G maneuvers can be extremely traumatizing - both physically and mentally. Many instructors have broken bones due to trainees doing maneuvers without prior permission. Even if physical danger is avoided, the mental trauma can put the pilot in the back seat off his game for a few seconds - a fatal amount of time in the world of dogfights. Even if they do coordinate perfectly - something that will take years of team-work to accomplish - their movements will be slower than single seaters because of the time taken for one pilot to inform the other at times.
     
  14. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Could mean that they are very satisfied by Pak Fa in it's current state, or this could also mean that they want to receive 5th gen birds quicker and more of them in a shorter space of time.

    Congrats folks!
     
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  15. d14gtc

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    BIngo---U got it :yu: ..... Thanks Anyways :dance3:
     
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