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If Pak had money to buy F-16s, why didn't it have money for flood victims

Discussion in 'South Asia & SAARC' started by BlueOval, Oct 22, 2010.

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  1. BlueOval

    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Pakistan is an oligarchy (a government in which a small group exercises control, especially for corrupt and selfish purposes), which has money to buy F-16s and exempts the rich from paying income tax, has money to keep an atomic arsenal capable of destroying half the planet, but does not have money to provide aid to flood victims, a media professional has said.

    In an article, Patrice Lagaci of La Presse says it is shocking and appalling that Islamabad is in a position to fork out approximately 40 million dollars for each F-16 that it wants, but says its cash flows are drained, if not empty, when it comes to rehabilitating 20,000,000 flood disaster victims.

    Lagaci believes that the West (read Canada and United States) are quite right in refusing to send funds over the Pakistan for the flood victims, and adds that Islamabad would do well to rethink its priorities and redirect its finances for more justifiable causes.

    Islamabad may be clamoring for international aid for widely acknowledged catastrophe and cholera and is probably right in doing so, but the international community is also within its rights to question the way funding is to be released and for what purpose.

    Lagaci describes himself/herself as a naove journalist who wanted to know that if Pakistan had 1.4 billion dollars to acquire fighter planes from Lockheed, why didn't have 460 million dollars to help its own "drenched" citizens?

    "I apologize to the Red Cross, to CARE, to Oxfam and other non-governmental organizations, but I, for one, will not give one red penny towards the humanitarian relief in Pakistan. I will not give a penny to help Pakistan because Pakistan never had any problem buying military equipment or getting financial help to buy some," Lagaci said.

    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/186356
     
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  2. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Where there own people are not willing to help then why should we care??

    A wonderful article. :tup:
     
  3. V.O.P.

    V.O.P. FULL MEMBER

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    What an idiot! Well Mr Patrice Lagaci, we spit on every penny that comes out of your pocket. Save it to educate yourself about how politics work and do some research before talking more bs! F-16's are partly being financed by USaid as part of deal for our support on US led WoT. The rest is to be raised locally from our defense expenditures.

    Maybe you should ask your French government why she's supplying weapons to both arch rivals who have enough nukes to destroy the sub continent.
    Isn't your part of the world responsible for most of global warming which is resulting in natural disasters around the globe? Imperialism in the past and protectionism today are main reason why so many developing countries are still struggling and you are whining about few millions we're spending on our basic defense requirements?

    Tu est fou!!
     
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  4. smeagle

    smeagle FULL MEMBER

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    In Pakistan what is important?. Pakistan Army or Civilian nation. If you look which entity is rich and which entity has ruled Pakistan for a long time, you will know the answer to above question. Its cliche but still relevant - Nations have Armies while Pakistani Army has a nation. PA will do whatever possible to keep itself alive even at the cost of Nation. Between F-16s and Flood victims, it will choose F-16s and is amply demonstrated by diversion of flood waters away from a Pakistani airbase during recent floods.
     
  5. V.O.P.

    V.O.P. FULL MEMBER

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    A fair question to you, my precious Smeagle; How much is your government paying for the MKI or the future Pak-Fa?
    How many souls can you feed per single unit? How does your government justify billions spent in defense when you still have the worlds single largest poverty concentration living in sub saharan standards and a huge malnutrition rate under the children?
     
  6. smeagle

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    We spend most of our money on social welfare not on defense. Our expenditure on defense is only 3 percent% of GDP as opposed to 6-10% of GDP in case of Pakistan. So don't bring in the usual Pakistani argument of starving children into this to derail the thread. Its about Pakistan not India.
     
  7. V.O.P.

    V.O.P. FULL MEMBER

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    Apparently logics don't apply when it comes to India :)
    I didn't ask for maths mate. Just tell your 200+ million poverty stricken poor souls that it's justified that they go hungry because your govenment if only spending 3% of the GDP on defense. :)

    Don't worry about us, we've been trough worse and we will survive this as well.
     
  8. smeagle

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    Logic is there for everyone to see. Pakistan with equal poverty is spending 6-10% of GDP on defense and much less on education speaks about the logic of Pakistan's priorities. Majority of the universities in Pakistan are on the brink of closing down and here you come and lecture us about Indian defence spending :lol:
     
  9. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ahhh...there I can answer that question. The same investment, in two different situations, become two different things.


    The world is not naive enough to believe that countries like India can solve it's problem in one day. What it does ask for is to see if we have a long term system or process to achieve taht goal. That we surely have, as demonstrated by our grwoth year in and year out. We haven't 'eradicated' poverty. but if we keep going on like this, in 20 years we'll be in striking range of achieving that goal. So to PROTECT that process and to provide it SECURITY a 2-3% of GDP is deemed acceptable. That's the insurance amount you pay to ensure that the REST of the 97% remains safe. No matter how you look at it, that is what security is supposed to be isn't it?

    But is that the case with Pak? No. That system you want to protect is just not in place but you are splurging money on weapons as a result of misplaced priorities.
    So while in our case, our expenditure is a spend of RIGHT priority against unforeseen contingencies, in your case it's a result of MISPLACED priorities.
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Sorry My county is not living of IMF loans and aid packages nor are we running to people to give us donations........
    We are projected to be one of the worlds largest economies.........
    We have cash for both i.e poverty removal and defense expenditure..........
    Sorry to burst your bubble Indian economy is in a far better state than the Pakistani one..........
     
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    Blackenthesky 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Though there is a huge disaster but still,no compromise with safety,as we all say ''safety first''.And one more thing,you people know very well that there is something we call 'budget',when the budget is approved,then defence budget is also being finalise and through that budget only Pakistan buy's F 16,so if that amount is shifted to this disaster then,there is gonna be a chaotic situation and all calculations and future plans are destroyed and have to be remodified.
     
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  12. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Ya, but the core question remains. Does Pak have that perpetual economic engine running? Does pak have it's industries and economic activities running that will give the govt. A/B/C Bn dollars every year, year after year? If you have that, then to protect that, pak can spend x B dollars to buy those planes. Else, that spend will eb counter productive right?
     
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    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Why so innocent?? We have Land of Pure with high impurities as our neighbor. What else do you expect??
     
  14. Sinchan

    Sinchan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The artical is stupid. We can't question about arm purchases of any country. And what if anyone ask that india is the poorest country but yet biggest arm importer....why.???? Why india have a army budget of whopping 40 million$.??? Thread should be closed and we should not bash pakistan on this stupid topic.
     
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  15. Marqueur

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    Who told u that India is poor .... the cumulative amount all scams is approx. Rs. 2 lakh crore ... according to world bank we r the 3rd largest economy w.r.t purchasing power parity (ppp)... and India has a defense budget of ~50 billion $... :cheers:
     
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