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If you're going to hang Afzal Guru, prepare to face consquences: Separatists to govt

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  1. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    for UPA anna and baba are problem and those who are breaking India they are friend cause they give muslim vote
     
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    and we need permission from pakistan ,saiyad gilani and from darul ulum devband and other muslim leader's
    it will like we don't have rule and supreme court have no value (10 year + wait prove this)
     
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  3. GUNS-N- ROSES

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    she has been acquitted not pardoned
     
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    he attended the meeting as a journalist hence his integrity should not be doubted.

    It might be of interest to you to note that indian government (read intelligence agencies) pay money to journalist and civil society members to attend seperatist meetings. the same has been happening in US/UK/Canada for many years now. they get fair idea about the "tone of meeting" from these journalists.

    Frankly, i dont think attending meetings conducted by FAI is such a big issue. such meetings are a rich source of intelligence inputs and i wont be suprised if some one in indian govt asked Radha kumar and padgaonkar to attend such meetings.
     
  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yap. I know about that too. They actually pay to get people in there and penetrate that network. I think it's high time Afzal Guru is hanged and that we should show the middle finger to the seperatists, going by what we have seen in the last two summers, the cautious approach of the government in 'timing' it seems a reasonable one. The government really turned the tables on them by letting people protest on the streets as much as they wanted. On one hand it didn't bring the kind of retaliation or large scale trampling of human rigts that the seperatists were asking for. Instead the govt. focussed upon law and order. Result? People go into streets again and again, lose their trade, their business and earnings and the govt doesn't seem to be as evil a monster as the seperatists are claiming. Plus, by sending the CRPF back to the barracks on omar's request, chidambaram actually proved to the people of the state that omar was not some 'rubber stamp' so their elected leader really controls their destiny and not delhi by remote.

    I think this move by the seperatists will finally be their undoing. Now, if afzal guru is hanged (or any such issue) and the seperatists call for a protest, high likelihood people will not want to participate in a big way. Loss of political face, non cooperation by the people and loss of mass support will the breaking point for them. And that will be the end of the road for them.
     
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    And this is how we show the people how these seperatists clowns damage them....

    Violence takes its toll on Kashmir traders - India News - IBNLive

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    Click to play videoSrinagar: Repeated incidents of violence and turmoil have damaged the economy in the Kashmir valley – and the industry which has been worst hit by the unrest is tourism. The loss is estimated to be touching Rs 21,000 crores and more than a lakh people have been rendered jobless.

    Shutdowns due to violence for close to three months has hit Kashmir hotelier Mushtaq Ahmad Chava and Jammu based industrialist Rahul Bansal badly.

    Chaya has four hotels that saw a booming 100 per cent occupancy in April and May …but now it is all empty. And Bansal's steel unit near Jammu supplies over 70 per cent of its products to Kashmir, all of which is stocked up for want of sale.

    “`I had a roaring business in May and half of June ... after that the accident took place …it was 50 per cent and in July and August the occupancy was zero,” says Chava.

    The story isn’t very different for industrialist Bansal. “We have stock worth Rs 20 cores and finished the product is not going to Valley. Even government sector has shut down and have stopped taking supplies,” rues Bansal.

    The economy of Jammu is largely dependent on the Valley, one of the reasons why traders, manufacturers and wholesale dealers too have been severely affected.

    In Kashmir, the tour and travel industry has laid off an estimated 60,000 employees and if the situation does not improve, 40,000 more people are likely to lose their jobs in the coming weeks. The economic hit is projected at a staggering Rs 21000 crore in sectors such as tourism, industry and handicrafts.

    The state lost nearly Rs 13000 crores in the last 86 days on sales tax, income tax and other levies. And tour, handicraft and industry losses adds up to Rs 1000 crores a day.

    With no tangible resolution to the political crisis in Kashmir, traders face a tough time ahead. And like the turmoil, there’s also no end in sight for these men.
     
  7. Mike

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    Why hang these bozos? It would be better to put them in jail for life with hard labour as punishment. Hanging them would only make them 'martyrs' that the separatists and terrorists would exploit.

    Secondly, by hanging them, they suffer pain for less than a minute! But hard labour for life will make them suffer for all their remaining life in jail - like a living hell!

    Which do you think is better?
     
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    ^^^^ i too have this opinion, why make him a martyr in the eyes of seperatists. let him rot in jail for life. onlt problem is wat happens wen some one hijacks a plane and demands release of afzal guru? the BJP govt which tries hard to project itself as "tough on terrorists" released 3 hardened prisoners. L K advani (who projects such a such a tough image publicly lied abt having not attended meeting where decision to release three prisoners was taken. this lie has been nailed by both jaswant singh and yashwant sinha.

    the release of prisoners was a popular move and i agree it brought much relief to the relatives of thos who were present in the plane. but was it a wise move? it was a time to show that we will not bow down before terrorists and BJP took a "politically correect move" rather than a hard move.
     
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    The problem is that Kashmiris traders in general don't have the balls to face up to the likes of Gillani and Co. They just keep following their diktats. When Gillani says jump, they jump. If their life depends on business and trade, they should be prepared to sacrifice their lives and hold mass demonstrations against the Hurriyat and their likes.

    The Hurriyat leaders live in posh multi crore mansions with the money they receive from Pakistan through the ISI. They therefore don't care a damn if the traders lose out and business in Kashmir collapses. They will continue to live a life of luxury with their children/grandchildren studying in posh scools and colleges abroad. They have no love lost for Kashmir or Kashmiris as long as they continue to live a life of luxury, thanks to the millions being received through hawala and other means from Pakistan.
     
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    There is a very simple answer to this situation. We should have done this when our plane was hijacked to Kandahar, Afghanistan. When the hijackers demanded the release of Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar, Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh and Maulana Masood Azhar, they should have refused. They would then have threatened the govt that passengers would be shot. The govt should then have told them very categorically that they are not responsible for the safety of these terrorists.

    If they try and shoot a passenger, do the same to one of the terrorists surreptitiously (Not publicly) and let them know that one of their terrorists have gone missing or perhaps dead. Repeat the process. The hijacker's very plan of releasing their head honchos would fall flat and they would think twice before shooting another passenger for fear of losing their own terrorist leaders.

    Pussyfooting and feeding terrorists biriyani (As happened in a hostage situation in Kashmir) is beyond stupidity. Whilst dealing with terrorists, we need act like them in such situations!
     
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    i believe you should hang them as an example that anyone who dares to challenge the Indian state this way will pay with his life. But you should do it in such a way that it becomes a political defeat for the opponents. That means the timing has to be accurate.
     
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    Congress divided on Afzal Guru's mercy petition


    A letter from the Union Home Ministry rejecting the mercy petition of Mohammed Afzal Guru — who was given the death sentence by the Supreme Court in 2004 for his role in the attack on Parliament in 2001 — to the President's secretariat for a final decision has been received cautiously by the Congress. Officially, the party has backed the government's line, but party secretary Praveen Davar — who also edits Supreme Saviour, a journal promoting the Congress ideology since 1946 — has gone on record saying the President is not bound by the Home Ministry's advice.

    Party functionaries are clearly divided on the issue, aware of the possible political fallout if President Pratibha Patil endorses the Home Ministry recommendation. A senior party functionary told The Hindu: “The party was not consulted on the decision, but it is the practice in the Congress to support decisions taken by the government.” But another senior leader pointed out that the hanging of Afzal Guru would have repercussions in the Kashmir Valley, and stressed that the situation there be studied before taking a final view.

    Already, reports from the Valley suggest that the People's Democratic Party (PDP) has appealed to the President “to take into consideration the universal disapproval of the death penalty and also the highly fragile situation in the State [of Jammu and Kashmir].”

    In Delhi, party spokesman Manish Tewari responded guardedly to questions on the rejection of Mr. Guru's mercy petition. “A mercy petition kicks off after the judicial pronouncement and involves a very serious application of mind by the Executive and the President, who does have institutional discretion,” Mr. Tewari said, adding, “But if the Executive and the President come to a certain determination, no one has the right to play political football with that.”

    Mr. Tewari was referring to the fact that the United Progressive Alliance government has been under pressure from the Bharatiya Janata Party and the rest of the RSS family to hang Mr. Guru ever since the Supreme Court sentenced him to death, while parties in Jammu and Kashmir have taken the opposite view.

    In his statement, Captain Davar, a retired Armoured Corps officer, who saw action in 1971, but quit to join the Congress in 1980, has written, “Though the Home Ministry has recommended that the Rashtrapati Bhavan should reject the mercy petition of Afzal Guru, she is not bound by its advice. Let [the] President exercise her discretion independent of any influence or pressure.”

    Some other functionaries in the party, too, are also of the view that extreme caution must be exercised in deciding on the mercy petition, given its possible fallout not just in Jammu and Kashmir, but elsewhere in the country — they also point to the Assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh. If one view is that hanging Mr. Guru would deprive the BJP of an election line, the other is that it would send out a wrong message to the minorities, especially as many civil rights activists feel that justice has not been done in this case.

    Simultaneously, another Congress functionary told The Hindu that nobody would be able to say that Mr. Guru had been plucked out of the list of those on death row for the extreme sentence, as in recent months, other mercy petitions had been rejected by the government and subsequently endorsed by the President.

    Indeed, Minister of State for Home Mullappally Ramachandran told the Rajya Sabha on Wednesday that President Patil had recently rejected the clemency petitions of three killers of the former Prime Minister, Rajiv Gandhi — Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan — whose death sentences were confirmed by the Supreme Court in 2000. Earlier, in May, the President had rejected the mercy petitions of Devinder Pal Singh Bhullar of Punjab and Mahendra Nath Das of Assam following a recommendation from the Home Ministry.

    The Hindu : News / National : Congress divided on Afzal Guru's mercy petition
     
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    ^^^ clearly indicates that the key factor of consideration for the COngress is Kashmir Valley politics and no other 'minority appeasement' nonsense.
     
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    In India Death penalty is only meant for Majority not for Minority ... For Minority rules are not Applicable even if Proven Guilty...
     
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    PDP will never think of it. Till their leader is killed and the killer is given death sentence, they won't stop such things. that time we should remind them of the demand they made this day and ask them to make the same on that day also.
     
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