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IITs are no longer quality institutions: Narayana Murthy

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  1. Hembo

    Hembo OLD MOD STAR MEMBER

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    IITs are no longer quality institutions: Narayana Murthy
    TNN | Jul 20, 2011, 05.16pm IST

    AHMEDABAD: Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) are no longer the quality institutions they were in the 60s and 70s, said chief mentor of Infosys N R Narayana Murthy while speaking at IIT-Gandhinagar.

    Murthy encouraged students to become strategic learners and restore the lost glory of the IITs.

    Murthy said very few world-class researches came out of IITs and IIMs in the last decade. "In 2004, China produced 2,652 PhDs in computer science and in that year the figure was 24 in our country," he said.

    "This is truly worrisome. Focus on researches has diminished in the IITs and they have become just a teaching institution and we all know that it is not the way to go about it," he added.

    "In the last 15 to 20 years, IITs have lost all the sheen that they had once upon a time. In 1967, at the electrical engineering department of IIT-Kanpur there were about 60 to 70 students registered for PhD. But today, at the same department if there are five PhD students joining in a year, that would be fantastic," said Murthy.

    He said that even gold medalists from IITs were at a loss when they pursue researches in institutes like MIT and Harvard.

    "The primary difference that I have found between the system of education in India and other countries, particularly the US, is that they focus on problem solving and relating theories to reality around them. These two things are lacking in the education system in India," Murthy said.

    According to Murthy, the decline of the quality of IITs is also the result of coaching classes for joint entrance examinations.

    "Today, students prepare hard for a year solving sample questions for IIT-JEE. One of these samples matches in the entrance examination and they crack the test," he said.

    Inspiring the students to become a strategic learner, Murthy told them to inculcate the qualities of independent thinking, connecting what is learnt in the classrooms with what is happening in the outside world and finding appropriate solutions to problems around.
     
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    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Another person agrees with Jairam Ramesh!!
    who was much criticized for this comment!!
     
  3. Kronus

    Kronus Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    What Mr. Murty is trying to say is correct! We are now having a generation of students who just want to passout with an IIT degree, get placed in India or abroad with a extravagant package & then enjoy the rest of their life. Very few are genuinely interested in going towards research, which will form the backbone of India's future. Then we still wonder why we have to purchase weapons from abroad & spend millions on spares & services afterwards too.
     
  4. Capt.Popeye

    Capt.Popeye Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    How correct Narayana Murthy (and Jairam Ramesh) are in their diagnosis.

    The problems of the present day IITs is in the underlined part.
    And the cause of the problems are in the bold part. The "Kota model" will be the eventual downfall of the IITs.
     
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    abirbec04 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    I guess that is why IIESTs were sanctioned to focus primarily on research. Narayan Murthy is right and Jairam was right too, both are IIT grads, they would know better. Research is the need of the hour. There should be no doubt about it.
     
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    Why on earth should IIESTs have to be created to focus on research? The IITs or any half-way decent University in India can and must do research as part of the educational system. Universities in the west are involved in all kinds of research projects. That works in many ways, it generates funding both for the institution and individuals (both faculty and students) but most importantly it creates a steadily expanding pool of knowledge, so the syllabii and course of studies is constantly dynamic. And a fair bit of the research work in Universities in the west is cutting-edge.

    In India by contrast, even higher education solely consists of distributing/disseminating knowledge rather than creating knowledge. So all that the faculty and students are doing is fishing about in a stagnant pool of knowledge.
    Most of the faculty in the so called centers for excellence, from RECs to IITs will not be able to survive even for weeks in industry.
     
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    The problem lies with the society where capabilities of a person is gauged by how much he/she is earning at the end of the month, not by what significant he/she has given to the society in terms of service or innovations.
     
  9. Capt.Popeye

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    That changes nothing. India simply lacks a culture of "pursuit of excellence". I.E. How to do things better than has been done so far. That concept is very hard to find. It is slowly creeping in, maybe in industry (mainly the private sector). In education, most times it does not exist.
    There is no need for altruism or service to society or all that. In any case few people have that as part of them.
     
  10. abirbec04

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    India doesn't lack anything. It is the education system which encourages running after marks (yeah 100% cut-off in DU will allow for pursuit of excellence). If you don't run after marks rather than holistic learning process you are bound to shy away from research but its the system and that's in place over a long period of time.

    IIESTs were sanctioned for a reason. I am not going into the debate of whether IITs should start focusing more on research than what they are doing right now as it is a no-brainer. IITs should focus more on research but its not happening. This is the main reason for Govt. going ahead with IIESTs. Instead of trying to change an age old system in the new age IITs the Govt. thought of investing in something that is still in its infancy. IIESTs can be shaped, though they also may turn out to be just like the IITs now but its worth a shot and I don't understand why shouldn't they go ahead with IIESTs? In a country of 1 billion any number of Universities would be less than the required number. IITs should be asked to increase their research output and IIESTs should be setup as serious research oriented universities. If the IITs don't face any competition to their legacy they won't step up their game and this is where a parallel body of Institutes should be need of the hour, to develop a healthy competition. I don't see what's wrong in having more IIESTs or for that matter more IITs. We are 1.2 billion, aren't we?
     
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    No problem with having more of anything. Just that we love to create new things without working to fix or fine-tune the old things. Don't we do that all the time?
    Even the RECs can be encouraged (actually kicked) to do research. While setting up all the new-fangled institutions that our hearts desire!

    This same mindset plagues us everywhere. When an overhaul of the (existing) intelligence gathering bodies was required, we created new ones instead. When existing counter-terrorism forces needed to be revamped, we went and created new ones with fancy names like Force 1,we'll even reach Force 999 after some time!

    Deja Vu; the more things seem to change, the more they actually remain the same. Mera Bharat Mahan?
     
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    abirbec04 Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is true ..... can't agree more.
     
  13. Bad Wolf

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    with reservation how can you got quality ?
     
  14. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Lack of teachers and lack of Pay for teachers!!
    The comment is about teaching quality and not student quality!!
     
  15. GUNS-N- ROSES

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    isnt the quality of students a relecetion of quality of insititution. can u ever imagine Harvard or princeton allowing a lesser student to join them just because he belongs to a particular community?
     
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