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Illegal immigration drive in North East

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  1. sunny_10

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    Estimated number of Middle and 'Lower' Middle Class
    (for china, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh)


    Per Capita Income of the people above $2.0 per day income in these four countries

    here, if we consider people below this level having $1.5 per day average income as whole, hence around $500 a year this way, around, then we have an 'estimate only' calculation as below :tup:

    Pakistan: 60/40 = 1.5 * (3100-500) = 3900 + 3100 = $7,000 (40% of 170million = 68million around)

    Bangladesh: 76.5/23.5 = 3.255 * (2000-500) + 2000 = $6,882 (23% of 160million = 40million)

    India: 69/31 * (3800-500) + 3800 = $11,145 (31% of 1.3 billion = 400million)

    China: 30/70 * (9,100 - 500) + 9100 = $12,785 (70% of 1.4 billion = 1.0 billion)

    but in the above calculation we may clearly see that per capita income of people above $2 per day income of India and China is almost twice to that of Pakistan and Bangladesh. hence we would say that 80% of this category of Pakistan and Bangladesh would be among the Lower Middle Class, while there might be 50% of India and China would fall among the Lower Middle Class, rest are Middle Class, an estimate only :tup:).

    hence this above calculation says India is a country of 200million Middle Class and 200million Lower Middle Class. rest of 900million are poor by the criterion of UN. while only 400million fall among the poor as per the measurement of Indian government, which still consider $1.25 per day to categorize poor :coffee:

    and yes, it put around 500million people of China among the Middle Class category, around (20% of 68million =) 14million of Pakistan and around (20% of 40million =) 8.0million of Bangladesh among the Middle Class of this standard.) :tup:


    => and yes this estimate would get the higher size for developing countries while considering the method which was in application till 2007, which used to consider GDP on PPP of India type developing countries at least 50% higher, considering 'estimated' undocumented part of GDP too. the method which was considered by the World Bank and IMF both till 2007. as below :coffee:

     
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    i didn't get your response but i wanted to clarify my last post...... my last post wasn't meant to say any wrong but we just discuss the problem many times. for example of the per capita income of Bangladesh as below for 2010, 2011 and 2012

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2004.html


    here we find per capita income of Bangladesh rising by around $100 per every year, its because 6.0% growth rate during last 3 years with 1.5% population growth itself. hence resulting in around 5% growth in per capita income a year only this way. ($100 is 5% to $2000 per capita income on PPP. while PPP measurement also consider inflation of USA, as its the value of products and services in US market.)

    this way we find, even if Bangladesh may maintain 6.0% growth rate for the next 10 years, with 1.5% population growth on parallel, you may hardly achieve today's per capita income of Pakistan after 8-9 years (at constant price, which is $3,100 for pakistan by 2012).

    but dont forget, today export of Bangladesh has exceeded to Pakistan due to demand from external market, which won't be possible in future considering weak US+EU markets. hence, BD does know that if growth rate of China has come down to 7.0% from the average of 10% of 2000s, similarly of other emerging economies like India, so you may hardly expect 6% growth rate for the next 10 years only, certainly not above, considering so weak external market/ external demands. and its also true that Pakistan will also grow by at least 4%+ for the next 10 years, means you may find per capita income of pakistan at least $4000+ after 8-9 years.......

    but its good to see BD having pretty good growth for last 10 years, well maintained at 6.0%+ :tup:
     
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    I would say only solution for these illegal immigrants maybe to create a buffer zone in between where these Immigrants and survive and sustain and build up a business model to excel themselves and opportunity can be provided by India if required in turn for the goods produced.

    Else this mess is never gonna wither away, as much India is gaining in its economical strength people will tend to flock its way which ever way possible to beat the poverty and inability to generate sufficient income or lack of opportunity to survive.
     
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    a good idea on this topic........

    but this issue is undoubtedly one of the biggest challenge the Indian government facing at present.lets see how they tackle it :tup:
     
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    duplicate post
     
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    The only option that I foresee to get rid of these illigal immigrants is to create vigilante groups consisting of our special forces and selectively target them to create fear in their hearts so that they go back on their own to their country. If we use law, we will never succeed as most NGOs will take up their case with AAP being in forefront. We must also fully implement the Rajiv accord of 1985 and deny voting rights, employment, ration cards and land rights to all muslims who entered india after the cut off date of the accord. Confiscate their lands and make them landless, unemployed, deprived with no nationality. Let them migrate and seek political asylum in those countries who have forced them on us like EU, USA and ME. Let them house these terrorists and get their women raped by them.
     
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    The best way to counter this problem is to demarcate the international boundary that is extremely porous and provide a fencing across it. And increase border guards.

    And help stabilize BD. Remember a stable BD is our interest. As BD grows & the livelihood of its people grows, immigration drive will automatically recede.
     
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    Illegal immigration from Bangladesh has turned Assam explosive

    The vote-bank politics practiced by India’s politicians has transformed Assam into a simmering cauldron of communal violence between the indigenous Assamese Bodos and the Bangladeshi Muslims who have immigrated illegally. The violence in Assam has exposed the fault lines, and is capable of exposing and worsening the communal divide in the State. The volatile situation was summed up by Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi as “living on a volcano”. :facepalm:

    A brief history of the conflictAssam shares an international border with Bangladesh and has been plagued with the problem of illegal immigration by Bangladeshi Muslims for the past four decades. The Governor of Assam, in a secret communique to the Central Government in 2005, revealed that “upto 6000 Bangladeshis enter Assam every day.” According to conservative estimates, India is host to around ten million illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. Assam itself is inhabited by around five million illegal immigrants.

    Successive Governments in New Delhi have tried to brush aside the problem for the fear of offending and alienating minority interests and alienating the valuable votebank, much to the chagrin of the BJP and its partners like the AGP. Delhi has always adopted a myopic view of the problem, and Assam seems to be paying for Delhi’s mistakes.

    In 1947, Pakistan was divided into a Bengali-speaking East Pakistan and an Urdu-speaking West Pakistan by the geographical presence of India. In 1971, it became clear that religion could not bind the two disparate entities into a single nation. The revolt against the linguistic hegemony of West Pakistanis resulted in genocide of the East Pakistanis.

    Unable to withstand the brutality of the Pakistani army, millions of Bangladeshis crossed over into the safer climes of India. Indian States like Assam and West Bengal bore the brunt of this influx. Although India provided sanctuary to these refugees, it nonetheless referred to this influx as “bloodless aggression” which could irretrievably impair the “economic and political well being” of the country.

    India’s military intervention against the Pakistani army’s genocide of the East Pakistanis led to the creation of Bangladesh in 1971.

    However, despite the creation of Bangladesh, India did not get any respite from the influx of Bangladeshi Muslims. The magnitude of this influx can only be assessed from the fact that the period between 1971 and 1991 witnessed the growth of Muslim population in Assam by 77.42 per cent as compared to a Hindu growth of 41.89 per cent. The population explosion has subsequently stabilised but even then, the decadal growth of 1991-2001 at 29.3 per cent for Muslims remained abnormally high as compared to a Hindu growth at 14.9 per cent.

    Dhubri, which shares a long riverine border with Bangladesh, is an example of how illegal infiltration into the State continues unabated. As per provisional census details for the period 2001-2011, the decadal population growth for Dhubri at 24.4 per cent was distinctly higher when compared to the population growth of Assam at 16.9 percent for the same period. With the Brahmaputra River providing convenient entry points, the district is being virtually overrun by Bangladeshi infiltrators. Incidentally, Dhubri was one of the flash points during the violence in the State.

    Ostrich head in sand approach

    The Indian polity, with its penchant for encouraging illegal immigration for the sake of vote-bank politics, prefers the ‘ostrich head in sand’ approach to this issue. This has grievous national implications.

    Porous and inadequately defended international borders, coupled with a lack of political will to counter the menace of illegal immigration, have ensured a massive and uncontrolled demographic upheaval in the State. Taking advantage of this demographic shift, illegal immigrants have staked their claims to the resources of the State. This, in turn, has raised the hackles of indigenous populations of the State — now poised to become a minority in their own homeland. While the latter are obviously disgruntled, neither side is in a mood to back down.

    Lack of political will to confront illegal immigration manifested itself in the blatantly perverted Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunal) Act of 1983. The Act was introduced specifically for Assam, replacing the Foreigners Act of 1946 which remains in effect for the rest of India.

    The provisions of the IMDT Act ranged from the bizarre (the State can only act against the illegal immigrants on the basis of a complaint and not suo motu); to the tragic (the onus of establishing the foreign origin of the accused lies on the complainant and not the accused).

    Such provisions made it virtually impossible to deport any illegal immigrant from Assam. It did not come as a surprise to many when only 1,481 illegal immigrants had been expelled upto April 30, 2000 based on over three hundred thousand enguiries. :coffee:

    The Supreme Court of India struck down the IMDT Act in 2005 as ultra vires to the Constitution of India. The Court referred to the Act as the “main impediment or barrier in the identification and deportation of illegal mmigrants.” The Court also compared illegal immigration with “external aggression,” which had made the life of the people of Assam “wholly insecure and the panic generated thereby had created fear psychosis.”

    In a revealing observation, the Supreme Court called upon the Government of India to protect “Assam from such external aggression and internal disturbance.” Ironically, it was this very “bloodless aggression” which India had used as a pretext to go to war with Pakistan in 1971.

    The Congress which has been the dominant political force, both at the Central level and in Assam post independence, has often been accused of tacitly encouraging this infiltration for political gains. So far, Gogoi and his friends seem to be in no hurry to dispel this accusation.

    Illegal migrants are mobilised to vote en masse for Congress candidates as quid pro quo to unhindered access to every national resource. In catering to myopic political returns, the party and the Government have turned a blind eye to the destabilising impact of the socio-economic volatility arising out of this influx. In a statement which is telling of the party’s abetment of illegal migration, Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi was quick to rescind his initial statement of Assam “living on a volcano,” with a “There are no Bangladeshis in the clash but Indian citizens.”

    Evidently, the vote-bank cannot be disturbed and therefore national interests are being sacrificed at the altar of political expediency. It is disturbing to know that the political class (by their actions) believe that the two are mutually exclusive.

    Encouraged by the pusillanimous approach of the Governments, fundamentalists have started manipulating illegal migrants for their own gains. Fundamentalist Muslim leaders in Assam have already issued calls for ‘jihad’ if the indigenous Bodos involved in retaliation during the violence were not arrested.

    Even attempts by the Government of India to prepare a National Register of Citizens based on the 1971 rolls in the State for an authentic documentation of the population have failed to make any headway in the face of strong opposition from these Muslim groups.

    Fundamentalist groups are apprehensive about political power slipping away from their hands, once the process of identification of the illegal migrants is initiated in earnest. That the effort to prepare the NRC is abandoned at the slightest resistance, exemplifies the connivance of the politicians with this illicit immigration. :coffee:

    What the future may hold

    Political shortsightedness has resulted in a situation where most Indian cities are getting burdened with these illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. The immigrants who have started shifting to greener urban pastures, which offer greater economic opportunities. However, it is in Assam that the conflict between the Indians and illegal Bangladeshi Muslims is growing. Emotions have been running high ever since the migrants started obtaining squatters rights on the lands which they were initially employed to till.

    With the demography being dramatically altered by their steady influx, illegal immigrants have started wielding enormous political power in Assam. Muslims have become the majority in 11 out 27 districts in the State and the dominant factor in determining electoral fortunes in 54 out of 126 constituencies in the local Assembly. A stage has been reached where no party can expect to attain political dominance without support from the Bangladeshi Muslims.

    It is this conversion of the illegal migrants into a political force, that has made the indigenous population apprehensive of losing its identity and culture.

    This unfettered illegal migration has ominous implications for national security and socio-economic stability. Intelligence inputs indicate that the Inter Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) of Pakistan is utilising these migrants as conduits to ferry in terrorists and arms into India. Counterfeit Indian currency with its origins in Bangladesh has flooded border areas, crippling the economy in these parts. :coffee:

    It is often said that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Kashmir is a case in point. Gogoi and his friends should brush up on their history.

    http://www.niticentral.com/2012/10/...gladesh-has-turned-assam-explosive-16664.html
     
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    Just a paragraph of Lt.Gen.S.K.Sinha, "While in Calcutta,I happened to meet Lt.Gen.,Jameel Mehmood,who was the Army commander in the east......He told me that he was very concerned about the influx of Bangladeshis in to India,particularly to Bengal & Assam.This was rapidly changing the demography of those states.He had been repeatedly cautioning the chief ministers of the two states......He went to the extent of telling them that if this influx was not stopped,we would have to redraw our boundaries in the east."

    For politicians, this is just an academic discussion.
     
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    After my work life is over, I'm gonna join politics. And will try to clean up the mess. Sitting around in the balcony and chanting the mantra 'iss desh ka kuch nahi ho sakta' won't help the cause.
     
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    Only solution is put automatic firing machines which fire at any movement on border and only rhen these scums will stop. If you want to come here illigally i jave all legal rights to kill upu and thos should be omly thing allowed kill them
     
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    it has been an issue/law on the international level, in fact.......

    "if someone coming to an international border, and if he/she doesn't stop after few warnings too, then the patrolling military is allowed to shoot that person, including even animals, once they reach a certain distance to the international border. as they may have explosive materials against the country they are coming without a proper visa....."

    :tup:
     
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    Khangreess only wanted to be in power no matter what
    ex-PM Ch*tiya Manmohan gave credit to Jawaharlal Nehru... now he started speaking... and when he was expected to talk he behaved like Monica Lewinsky (could not open mouth due to........)
     
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    when our NE brothers, sisters were already being mistreated, neglected and forgotten economically, they still came out to vote in droves for elections hoping to bring change through the ballot box. they believe in development and localized administration within the federation, but the political establishment never delivered. to the contrary they shipped in foreigners with a different culture and demography into the NE and gave them ration cards for a votebank. this is treachery with NE Indians which must be corrected. if the government doesn't stop compounding problems for them then the citizens will themselves throw out the foreign illegal settlers. it is high time people of NE were given respect and empowered to develop the region with assistance from the centre and pvt sector.
     
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