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  1. Desi Jatt

    Desi Jatt Captain ELITE MEMBER

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    India mulls new strike force along Tibet border

    (TibetanReview.net, Jul03, 2010) In addition to two mountain divisions it is presently raising for deployment along its border with Chinese occupied Tibet, India is considering setting up a Mountain Strike Corps and two Independent Brigades there, reported the Times of India online Jul 2. If approved by the government over the coming weeks, it will be the largest-ever upgrade of military capabilities along the border region as India tries to catch up with a militarily advanced China.

    The report said the proposed corps would be India's fourth strike corps and the only one dedicated for offensive operations in mountainous terrain. It added that units of the strike corps, to be based somewhere in the northeast, would be capable of operating like rapid reaction forces.

    Once approved, there will be a massive upgrade in India's military capabilities, leading to a huge step-up of Army presence along the border.

    The entire effort has been described as "defensive in nature", designed only to catch up with China in military capabilities.

    The proposal is said to include the raising of an independent brigade in Ladakh, and another brigade in Uttarakhand.

    Sources within India’s security establishment have for long been worried about the country’s military weaknesses before China's intimidating military modernisation. The report said that coupled with a weak infrastructure, India's situation has been worrying to security experts.

    India mulls new strike force along Tibet border - Tibetan Review
     
  2. Desi Jatt

    Desi Jatt Captain ELITE MEMBER

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    a good news !!

    a few steps more like these are needed..some good work coming from India, finally.
     
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    jha 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Unless we give them sufficient no. of heavy lift choppers and attack helicopters indian force will always remain defensive in that region..
     
  4. Arjun MBT

    Arjun MBT Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Indian Military infrastructure Should be strengthened there, in 1962 Nehru Ignored there massive Buildup in the region and instead Was Singing Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai, Mistakes happen only Once, But this time, we need to challenge them in each and every Move they take... And We need to have a doctrine not of defense, especially in a two front war, when We adopt a defensive strategy its easy for them to Corner us...

    This is the best possible solution to Bring Chinese aggression to a permanent halt and Am Proud India has Joined the Party
     
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    ^ but china has 20 times high infra than India 5 times high troops and containing high mountain areas.

    So we should adopt gorilla was fare .


    By that tricks only any small groups can who against big massive forces
     
  6. Arjun MBT

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    China Does not have 20 times the Infrastructure than India neither does it have 5 times Indian troops....

    China has an Edge over India in Its Aggressive Settings, and positioning of its troops.... We have good Mountain Warfare techniques and Guerrilla Warfare Units.... China has Edge Over equipments..... Which is Not of any use when its an all out war..... A minor Skirmish And It would be heavy on us, but in war, Better the technique and strategy and reasonable number of equipments , You can avoid any raid on you......
     
  7. veteran

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    Son you need to diversify few things.

    1.There is no such thing like "aggressive setting"(i know in which sense you meant it),but you can use aggressive strike formation.the formation in which you deploy your forces along the border is very crucial.India as well as China has all the capabilities to assert himself as aggressor.In a "minor skirmish" why you think Arjun it would be heavy on us?..even if you compare the equipment there is a end less list.but the Indian army too has all the important equipment they need for monitoring.

    2.The another division which is guarding the Indo-China border are special people.they have learnt tactics what is not known to many army's around the world.they are battle ready and have ample of ammunition to defend their position for as much time as you can think.Even Chinese know that how efficient our fores will be in mountain war fare situation.

    3.Mobility of troops is an important issue and i think now it has been addressed properly.we are fully capable of mobilizing our troops in full thrust.our fellow chap's of service core are always on the run,they are given new infrastructure to carry essentials in fast and quick notice. new air bases have just increased our efficiency to bring in any thing from artillery to troops.not to forget essentials for the soldier's.

    4.There LHASA railway line in any way can not pose threat for us.the reason for this is now we have positioned SU-30's near the border.It will just take 2 to 3 minutes to completely destroy this railway section.so from this example i can assure you ,whatever China is doing regarding its infrastructure at same time time we have also accessed strategy to counter these moves.The fellow Chaps sitting in RK puram Delhi has got lot of brains,and they are one of the best military strategist around the world.trust them as i do,and they have more than 1 option to counter any situation ranging from skirmishes to war level conflict.

    Arjun you have accessed the situation but i think you were to critical of the army.well its good to be critical but then again army will never come out in open and tell what sort of strategy they have devised.

    "come on Arjun go easy on our Chaps' son "
     
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    Self Delete, Got My question answered ... Thank You veteran Sir
     
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  9. Desi Jatt

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    @ veteran sir - who holds the advantage in terms of position in the mountains ?? like is/are there any peaks,high platforsm where the Chinese or Indian army can gain an advantage over other ??
     
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    For me no body holds advantage.for one simple reason,we also have position where we can spot the Chinese intrusion from very far distance.so that gives us a tactical advantage to prepare,but then again same thing applies for them.Chap's every thing is fine over there.we know our capabilities and they know about themselves.

    BRO has done some tremendous work in this region.also to support your troops you need to have dedicated aviation wing.like we have now on the Chinese border.Infrastructure development is still going on from our side.we are in the process of maximizing rate of mobility of troops.from the Chinese side they are also doing their infrastructural development to counter any Indian move.

    Now a days whenever our forces cross the Chinese border they get a very warm welcome,and it's same treatment they get when they come to India.when ever i have interacted with Chinese officer's they have high regards for us.Even in 62 Chinese never disrespected any of our martyr's.unlike Pakistan they know how to respect your enemy.Chinese gave our martyr's respectful burial during 62.

    It is indeed the politics which hamper's our relation's.on army level we both hold each other in high regards.but due to Chinese leadership we have always been seen as rivals.

    I will be off now chap's ,join you in the morning.
    JAI HIND
     
  11. jagjitnatt

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    height has its advantages, but only in case of limited skirmishes, like that in Kargil.

    In a full blown-out war, its the strategy which works. Its how you plan, what you plan and how well you execute it.

    It doesn't matter who has the control of the peaks, what matters is who uses them to his/her advantage. The chaps in RK Puram are aware of every movement on the other side of the border and keep formulating strategies to counter every possible move of the opposition and the same is true for them.

    If we can blow up their infra, so can they. Its so much planning that its not possible to describe here on a forum.

    My grandfather was in the army and used to tell me stories of the 71 war which he contributed in. He was also in the 65 war and used to tell me of how they formulated different strategies to counter the air strikes and how they managed to disable the Patton tank, how they stopped the tank regiment in amritsar and how the Indian armed forces got to lahore, how the enemies took out the bridges to stop them etc etc.

    Its really a lot more of a mental game than people believe.
     
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    Army plans new force to counter China

    Almost 50 years after the Chinese aggression, the Indian army is finally looking to set up its own rapid reaction force (RRF) at its border in the northeast.

    The Chinese army already has 23 RRFs.

    India has nine mountain divisions to counter China, but has no RRF — elite units that can be mobilised quickly. The plan for setting them up was drawn up by the military operations directorate and sent to certain formations for discussions and feasibility study.

    A source told DNA, “It’s still not clear whether existing brigades will be converted into RRFs or new ones will be raised. Several things are to be considered before such a step is taken. There is a shortage of officers and the northeast does not have the infrastructure for this kind of thing.

    Besides, it needs to be discussed whether it will be feasible to build an RRF and in what time that could be done.â€￾

    The army’s RRF plan includes a battalion of engineers and doctors. One way of raising the force is to take in troops who are not engaged at the borders.

    The 23 RRFs in China have been trained to react quickly to limited border conflicts and can reach anywhere in the country within seven days.

    They know how to operate modern equipment and communication systems. China’s RRFs are self-contained and can engage in direct combat. The force was raised after the PLA thought a capability-driven force would be better than one big in numbers.

    Infrastructure is crucial to the functioning of the RRF, since better infrastructure means lesser travel time and lesser mobilisation time, consequently quicker reaction.

    Perhaps that is the reason the Border Roads Organisation (BRO) is in the process of coming up with roads and other structures in the northeast.

    They have been given Rs2,000 crore to re-activate advanced landing grounds in the northeast and Ladakh for the Indian Air Force’s aircraft.

    There is a likelihood that the C-130J Super Hercules. that is likely to come from the US, would be based in the northeast. The first batch of these would be inducted into the IAF in February 2011.

    Army plans new force to counter China - dnaindia.com
     
  13. Desi Jatt

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    this is a god news..we need RRFs for the answer to the chinese,in case they try any mischief...I hope this will be a seperate group for RRF is raised instead of converting any existing brigade..we also need high numbers.
     
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    good news about time our netas grew [​IMG]these:D
     
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    so these rrf's may possibly be suported by m777 howitzers,c-130 j,globmaster 3(a tactical and strategic air-lifter),mi-25,mi-35,mi-26 and possibly bmp-2
     
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