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India eyes Russian S-400 Triumf + associated news

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by arulcharles, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    Nope.

    S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) - Missile ThreatMissile Threat
    That's the missile that entered production in 2012. Now people around the world are interested in seeing the first pictures of the missile on its TEL.
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    If the two new missiles being procured is true, then it shows the S-400 is superior to the Indian BMD.
     
  3. kiduva21

    kiduva21 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    what if we by the missiles not the complete system and integrate with our own systems like sward fish, and use along with other missiles like PAD and AAD. some one said Russians will allow to integrate Indian ,Israeli systems with it.
     
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    It is possible to achieve this growth.

    The INR has weakened considerably compared to USD. Normal exchange rate is between 40-45 for a USD.
    USD to INR Rates on 11/17/2010 - Exchange Rates

    From 2011 to 2014, growth was stagnant in terms of nominal GDP in India.
    [​IMG]

    This is why we blame UPA for spoiling the economy.

    Even though growth rate was over 5%, exchange rate fell by as much every year. Now, in the next 3 years we can see the INR strengthening, especially with low oil prices.

    GDP value in INR is 130+T today. At 65 INR to USD, the economy is just 2T. If INR gains enough to get to 2010 rate, that's 45 to a USD, then the economy today would be $2.9T. So the economy doubling is not a pipe dream because we are talking about just $1T of 'actual' growth in 3.5 years. We just need to grow by 50% in 3 years. Is it realistic now?

    China also grew the same way. From 2006 to 2015, China grew from $2T to $11B today. That's almost 6x growth. In that same time RMB appreciated from 8 to 6 RMB to USD. About 25% difference. In just 9 years they grew by 6 times. Our exchange rate difference is much higher, especially considering China artificially keeps itself weaker and we do that even more than China does.

    If Make in India succeeds, especially in the electronics industry, we could grow even faster. When Modi ruled Gujarat, the state did a consistent 10+%. In 2005, they achieved 15%. He brought this type of growth right after there was a major earthquake in 2001 and riots in 2002, both events stopped investment.
     
  5. randomradio

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    Technically makes sense. But realistically, nobody will part with technology, I think you already know that.
     
  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    China growth 2006/2007 was 30% and 2007/2008 was 20%! and still 24% for 2011/2012! you cannot have this performance with an activity mainly oriented to services.
     
  7. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I think that we are expediting the BMD for our major cities and also working to provide TMD for our Integrated Battle groups. The net result of the deployment of this system in a theatre will mean that use of rockets like Nasr will not be an option as they will have limited range and will need to be launched from an area which is beyond the reach of these systems. It also means that majority of Pak missiles will not be able to reach Delhi and Pak will have to develop more longer ranged missiles to hit Indian cities from deep within its own territory. Which will increase the time for deployment as the present set up of Pak nuke missiles is within 200 kms of Indian borders. They will need to be transported to a new safe are for firing which is outside the range of these systems. Another aspect is that these systems can be mated to the Israeli built BMD radars already deployed around Delhi & Mumbai as part of Indian BMD project.
    I think its a master stroke as this means we will need less aircraft to provide air cover to our strike formations. Something similar was done by Egyptians during 1974 yom kippur war when they moved their SAMs close to the border and their strike forces remained within that umbrella to take down Israeli air force engaged in CAS.
     
  8. DrSomnath999

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    @vstol jockey

    dont you think india would use S 400 to test it's own fighters how to evade /use counter measures against this SAM.

    as *** have already order these platform ,it can be useful for IAF to device strategy .how to counter this threat.

    i mean we can use to test our own deep strike fighters against these SAM in wargames/exercises .

    eg rafale be used against these platforms ,& see how they perform

    CHEERS
     
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    sam2012 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Does this crap has anything to do with S-400 deal which India is planning to sign?? why don't you vanish to members thread since you have nothing credible to offer to this topic
     
  10. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It was just a discussion around that
    To know if there is money available or not. But it seems it's not easy for you to find the source of the comments.
     
  11. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Such excercises are routinely done. And induction of such weapons invariably lead to revision of tactics also.
     
  12. randomradio

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    I think you have taken a different kind of growth measurement. China's GDP growth in 2006 was 12.7%, in 2007 it was 14.2% and in 2011 it was 9.3%. Maybe your figures include exchange rate fluctuations. We have to compare apples to apples so take GDP growth rates from just one source like Google.

    India's GDP growth in 2006 was 9.3%, in 2007 it was 9.8% and in 2011 it was 6.6%. Highest was 2010, 10.3%.

    Both are from Google, and the figures were taken from WB, so the comparison is apples to apples. Both figures don't take exchange rate fluctuations into account.

    No doubt we need to improve manufacturing, but that's the goal of Make in India.

    Anyway, to double our economy in 3-3.5 years, we just need to grow by a total of 50%, which is extremely easy. With normal growth of 8%+ every year and if the exchange rate fixes itself in that time, then economy would have doubled. It's all dependent on exchange rate. Actual economy has been growing.
     
  13. randomradio

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    Don't use derogatory terms to refer to other nationalities.
     
  14. randomradio

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    @sam2012

    Get your act together before infractions are handed out.
     
  15. Paliwal Warrior

    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    china is not china because it grew or appreciated its currency by 25% between 2006 to 2011

    it is china because of what it did in 4 decades BEFORE & UPTO 2006

    what is actually important for India is real growth - not $GDP fiures which are influenced by exchange rates

    see today with 11T $ economy if china grows by even 10% per year it will add 50% of indias economy
     

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