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India eyes Russian S-400 Triumf + associated news

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by arulcharles, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    I think current agreement would be a precursor to details and price negotiations. Not as significant as portrayed by the media.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    According to informed sources, Russia is willing to transfer a large number of critical technologies as per Indian requests. It is also agreeable to the idea of marrying India’s Akash ADMS with S-400, as well as establish a service centre to support S-400 in India. While Russia at this stage is unwilling to transfer the entire S-400 technology or sell it under the ‘Make in India’ policy with offsets obligation, much would depend upon the coming talks between the two heads of government.

    http://www.forceindia.net/ShieldintheAir.aspx
     
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  3. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    In all probability the missiles under plan are 120km, 250km and 380 km+ one with integration of Akash/Barak8 MRSAM for lower tier and also integrating C22/C6 modules Israeli Radar into the whole system. The other missiles will be the HTK from Prometheus system ..

    99% target is an airspace coverage upto 600 km+ range and max altitude of 185 km.

    Reliance Defence and Tata will benefit a lot.

    The key feature to look out and seek is still the number of command posts and the fact that 40N6 which has done this high altitude of 185 km and the HTK 77N6 series is fully passed on to us without any kind of restriction which in general seen in Russian arms Export variants.

    In essence we will be able to then use the S450 MKI system for proper IRBM/ICBM class protection as well.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Basically we are looking to integrate all our air defence assets with S-400 system to provide multi-layered multiple missile air defence for the entire country. Indian AMD will also be integrated to this system.
     
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  5. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    India and Russia to sign air defence deal
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    Image captionThe S-400 is one of Russia's most modern air defence systems with an extraordinary reach
    Russia and India are expected to sign a deal on Saturday for the delivery of an advanced air defence system to Delhi, a Kremlin official has said.

    The S-400 missiles are Moscow's most sophisticated aircraft defence system.

    Yuri Ushakov said the agreement would be signed at a summit in Goa where President Vladimir Putin will hold talks with Indian PM Narendra Modi.

    India is also hosting a Brics summit in Goa this weekend involving Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

    "An agreement on the delivery of S-400 'Triumph' anti-missile defence systems and other deals will be signed as a result of the talks," Russian news agencies quoted Mr Ushakov as saying.

    Russia's missiles send robust signal

    The Kremlin earlier this week said the talks with Mr Modi would focus on "a wide range of matters of bilateral relations, especially trade and economic ties".

    The S-400 surface-to-air missiles have been deployed to Syria, where Russian forces have been operating in support of the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

    Russia and India were close allies during the Cold War, but recently the relationship has become more complex.

    Talks have been held annually since 2000 and hosted alternately by Moscow and Delhi.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37652276
     
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  6. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    S-400 Triumf LR-SAMs Arriving By 2018 For Limited TMD, Plus Six SSNs & Four Batch 3 Project 1135.6 FFGs

    As per the IAF’s projections, there exists a requirement for 12 Batteries of the JSC Almaz-Antey-built S-400 (each Battery using four TELs each housing four cannister-encased LR-SAMs), plus five long-range early warning/tracking radars (LRTR). In other words, as per the IAF’s appreciation, a total of FIVE strategic sectors in northern, western and southern India are urgently required to be protected against conventionally armed inbound TBMs and IRBMs like Pakistan’s solid-fuelled single-stage M-11 (Hatf-3/Ghaznavi//DF-11) 280km-range TBMs, and liquid-fuelled single-stage Hatf-5/Ghauri-1/Nodong-1.

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    Next on the shopping list will be the five LRTRs which, in all probability, will be the EL/M-2090U UHF-band active phased-array systems from Israel Aerospace Industries’ ELTA Systems subsidiary.


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    It may be recalled that when the MoD-owned DRDO began R & D work in 1996 on a home-grown TMD system, it had ordered two EL/M-2080 ‘Green Pine’ active phased-array L-band LRTRs in late 1998 from IAI/ELTA for target acquisition-cum-engagement, plus a TMD simulation testbed from Israel’s Tadiran Electronic Systems.

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    Following their deliveries in 2001, the DRDO began co-developing the applications software for a terrestrial TMD architecture and its distributed command-and-control network at a laboratory in Yalavara, Karnataka.

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    Another inter-governmental agreement (IGA) to be inked in Goa as part of a secret annexure of the contract for building Units 3 and 4 of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) concerns the in-country construction of six 5,000-tonne, fifth-generation attack submarines (SSN) designed by the St Petersburg-based FSUE Central Design Bureau RUBIN for Marine Technology. SSNs of this design, powered by 60mWt (about 25mWe) high-density integral pressurised water reactors (PWR), will also enter service with the Russian Navy in the following decade.


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    It may be recalled the IGA that India and Russia Atomstroyexport signed on November 20, 1988 for the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Project (KKNPP) officially involved the construction of two 1,000MWe Russian VVER-1000-type light water reactors (at a cost of US$3.5 billion) at Kudankulam in Tirunelveli district in Tamil Nadu State. However, a secret annexure of this contract also called for Moscow to offer its ‘consultancy’ and ‘vendor-development’ services, along with the supply of two KLT-40C PWR mock-ups (built by Afrikantov OKBM and designed to deliver 23.5mWe from the 82.5mWt reactor and using 45% enriched uranium-aluminium alloy, clad in zircaloy), their related heat exchangers and steam generators, plus their detailed engineering drawings off-the-shelf—all for the S-2/Arihant, S-3 and S-4 SSBNs, and similar military-industrial assistance for building the larger S-5, S-6 and S-7 SSBNs, also designed by FSUE Central Design Bureau RUBIN for Marine Technology.


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    Of the four Batch 3 Project 1135.6 FFGs for the IN, the first two will be built by Kaliningrad-based JSC Yantar Shipyard, while the remaining two will be licence-built by Gujrat-based Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd (RDEL), formerly Pipavav Defence and Offshore EngineeringCompany Ltd (PDOECL).

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    https://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2016/10/s-400-triumf-lr-sams-arriving-by-2018.html

    PSK further adds on

    All 3 Gregorivich FFGs built to date at JSC Yantar are already salining with their own power, i.e. they already have on-board propulsion systems & all their photos are available on-line. The 4 for India will be new-build ones & will have all non-Russian systems that are already on board the 2 Batch 2 Project 1135.6 FFGs. During the construction of the first 2 Batch 3 FFGs, the workforce from Reliance Defence and Engineering Ltd will be at Yantar for acquiring the skills necessary for building the two follow-on FFGs back in India. In future, this Pipabav-based shipyard will also do all mid-life refit work on the 3 Batch 1 & 3 Batch 2 Project 1135.6 FFGs already in service with the IN. In addition, the periodic refits of INS Vikramaditya will also be done at Pipavav.

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    The version to be procured will suffice for tackling the TBM & IRBM mentionmed above. The hypersonic 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI missiles that the IAF wants to counter the Shaheen-1/2 & DF-21-type MRBMs are not yet available. So the S-400s meant for delivery to the IAF will make use of SAMs like the 40N6E, the 9M96E2, the 48N6E3 and the 48N6E2.

    it won;t be a stopgap measure because the Ruskies will deliver the 77N6-N and the 77N6-NI missiles after their R & D cycles have been completed. In addition, don't forget that the S-400 sales campaign wasn't done just by the Ruskies, but by the Israelis as well, since there will be a sizeable Israeli industrial input as well, as I have explained above. All that the Ruskies therefore have to do is to work with the DRDO to make the S-400 LR-SAMs 'adaptable' to the DRDO-Israel developed command-and-control network. In addition, as far as early warning goes, it is Israel that has been collaborating with ISRO for co-devedloping new-generation mini-satellites with dedicated optronic or SAR sensors. Up to 12 such mini-satellites can be launched by ISRO during any national emergency by a PSLV launcher & these mini-satellites will be low-cost, i.e. with a lifespan of not more than 90 days in low-Earth orbits for the sake of uninterrupted/persistent ballistic missile early warning & monitoring of BM launch sites inside hostile territory.
     
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  7. Sathya

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    For 12 batteries of S400 , we need 5 radar, that means for the 6 we are buying we need 2 or 3 radars ?
    Also Is the Elta 2090 - the spectra & Electra ?
    SSN is Yasen ?
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    1. Andhra Pradesh smart city project
    2. Shipbuilding in Andhra Pradesh
    3. Haryana smart city project
    4. Rosneft and Essar oil refinery infrastructure development
    5. Rosneft and OVL energy agreement
    6. Nagpur Secundrabad Hyderabad high speed train
    7. Ka226 helicopter deal
    8. Energy cooperation agreement for 2016 and '17
    9. Protocol for consultation between two foreign ministries of India and Russia
    10. Cyber security MoU
    11. Intergovernmental agreement on purchase of frigates from Russia
    12. S400 missile system deal
    13. Joint India Russia partnership for global security will be concluded today
    14. Kudankulam Unit 3 and 4 nuclear power plants ground laying in minutes.
    15. Special mention: Kudankulam unit 2 has begun generating energy.
    16. India Rusdia sign 18 agreements.
    17. A few likely to be announced later today.
    Source- http://m.thehindu.com/news/national/latest-updates-day-1-of-brics-summit-at-goa/article9223507.ece
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    We are getting 2090 U
    Spectra is 2090S and Terra is a combination of both U and S
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    IAI-ELTA's ELM-2090 TERRA is a strategic Early Warning dual band radar system. The ELM-2090 Consists of the ELM-2090U ULTRA for search & detect mission at very long range and the ELM-2090S SPECTRA for highly accurate tracking mission at long range, operating jointly as a unified system.
    The TERRA system is designed to provide the advantage of the combined UHF and the S band radars, ensuring optimized detection and tracking performance on very long range targets, such as - ballistic missiles and satellite
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    No submarines are not Yasen.. it's a 5000tonne SSN with a similar reactornpower as seen in Arihant..
     
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    Ka226T will be for ??? IA or IAF?
     
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  11. seiko

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    @Parikarma regarding the frigate, are we going for the brand new ones or the existing ships built in Russia waiting for Ukranian engines?

    I will be disappointed if we are going for brand new ones, because it means more time for inductions. :(
     
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    Both.

    Brand new. We plan to build many more after the initial deal.
     
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    Any plan to buy the frigates waiting for engines?
     
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    I doubt we will. They will have to find someone else.
     
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    Dont you think it is a stupid decision from our side? I mean we had a chance to get brand new machines with relatively less price ready to be purchased and we have gone for something to start from the scratch!!
     

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