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India eyes Russian S-400 Triumf + associated news

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by arulcharles, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    Russians playing on three sides. They choose Aero india to announce chinese order of S400. They planted media reports on possible Pakistani interest. They are now on offensive.
     
  2. ReddyMan

    ReddyMan FULL MEMBER

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    Russians are simply trying out age-old strategies, but was shocked when they found India wasn't taking the bait. Now they are in panic mode.

    Truth is that they are not the USSR, they can't shift geopolitics like they once could. Especially since their economy is the size of Spain right now.

    I am in serious doubt if PakFa ever materializes, or if new Project 11356 Frigates are purchased, and even Ka-226T seems to be in question. S-400, Brahmos, and Super 30 upgrade might be the last major Russian purchases.
     
  3. lca-fan

    lca-fan Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    F-35 is a big NO as it is like you are buying a new car but Keys are with the company and you can only drive it when company allows you to drive. F-35 we can show it off to the world and in air shows but if we want to use it in war we have to have consent of US, if in future we need to test are nukes we could be sanctioned for spares and US would push us to fight its war if we deny then we get sanctioned. So no F-35.

    PAKFA yes, the same version Russians are buying could come by 2022-24, I think it would be better to go with PAKFA as it would be sanction free and India could leverage its Rafale purchase to bargain for a couple of sqdns of PAKFA.
     
  4. Immanuel

    Immanuel 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Our initial order of 5 full scale regimental complects is very different and far bigger than the Chinese order i.e each regiment with 4 battalions and each battalion with 4 fire units. For us, each of the 5 systems will have the full configuration i.e an ability to deploy a whopping 384 missiles. . Each of the battalion in a regiment can be deployed upto a 100 km away from the Big bird radar and thus protects is own significant AOR. Sure, a battalion will be placed not far away to protect Delhi and surrounding areas. But no way will 5 entire Regimental complects be dedicated to Delhi. Most of the battalions will be positioned in ultra classified semi permanent hardened under ground shelters not far off from the northern ,western and eastern borders. When push comes to shove, they'll move with in a 10-30 km radius, fire and scoot. since their deployment times are quite rapid they will move out on short notice. A couple of battalions will be kept close to Agra for heavy lift toward hots spots when things get hot in other regions of the country till orders expand to perhaps 12 regiments under MII eventually.


    There are 6 possible options:
    1 - Full Regimental Complect - 4 Battalions 4 Batteries (4 TELs + 4TLV) each. i.e 64 TELs with between 256-384 missiles (When combined with 9M96E2 Missiles)
    2 - Shortened Regimental Complect - 2 Battalions 4 Batteries each;
    3 - Shortened Regimental Complect - 2 Battalions 2 Batteries each;
    4 - Shortened Regimental Complect - 4 Battalions 2 Batteries each;
    5 - Full Battalion Complect; 'China ordered 6 Battallion complects' the cost is less than half what we pay
    6 - Shortened Battalion Complect.

    Also keep in mind with Phase-1 of ABM already complete as of 2012, Delhi should have already started receiving Endo and exo protection as of 2013.
     
  5. PeegooFeng41

    PeegooFeng41 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Well, against J-20 thats your only bet. Eff-35.
     
  6. lca-fan

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    INDIA TO BUY 12 RUSSIAN ADVANCED S-400 AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM: SOURCES
    SUNDAY, JUNE 11, 2017 BYINDIANDEFENSE NEWS
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    Sources reported that India has decided to buy 12 units of Russia's advanced S-400 ADS instead of the earlier proposal to acquire only 5 such units
    Rakesh Krishnan Simha wrote in RIR, "The year is 2020. A posse of F-16 jet fighters takes off from the main Pakistan Air Force (PAF) base in Sargodha. Approximately 300 km east, at the Adampur air force base, an Indian S-400 air defence system picks up these aircraft almost instantly. The radar lock unnerves the F-16 pilots and they peel further west – away from the battery’s range."
    While taking evasive action the PAF jets have to be careful not to stray into Afghanistan – which is increasingly hostile towards Islamabad – or Iran. The Pakistani pilots, however, realise trespass is the least of their problems. As the F-16s arrive over Baluchistan – the furthest they can get away from the Indian border – they are tracked by another S-400 battery stationed near the Jodhpur air force base 527 km away.

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    The S-400 systems are routinely scanning the airspace around them in a 360 degree sweep, but the PAF pilots are on the verge of panic. Between the overlapping coverage by India’s multiple S-400 battalions stationed along the border, PAF aircraft can run but not hide. This is the fishbowl effect – the feeling of being observed from all sides.
    The most devastating impact of India acquiring the S-400 Triumf will be on the Pakistani military’s psyche. With its 600 km tracking range – and a 400 km kill range – the Russian air defence system will increase the vulnerability of all Pakistani air assets, especially fighter aircraft, missiles and drones, by several orders of magnitude.
    Their 600 km tracking range – and a 400 km kill range – will allow just three S-400 battalions located on the border to cover all of Pakistan, except the western extremity of its restive Baluchistan province. With Afghanistan turning hostile and upending Pakistan’s grandiose plans of acquiring strategic depth, the arrival of the S-400 will squeeze the operational capabilities of both its offensive and defensive assets.
    Because of its blistering speed of 17,000 kph, an S-400 missile fired from Adampur, Punjab, will take just 65 seconds to hit an F-16 flying over Sargodha. Ejection – rather than evasive action – would be the sensible option against a missile coming at you at that speed.
    The S-400’s deployment will widen the window of vulnerability of Pakistan’s air force, army and strategic missile forces.

    • First up, PAF jets will be forced to operate hundreds of kilometres west of the Indian border and will have to fly in a narrow strip of airspace along the borders of Iran and Afghanistan.


    • Secondly, they will not be able to come to the defence of their armour and troop concentrations which would be taking a pounding from Indian artillery and the Indian Air Force (IAF).


    • The system can even function as a ballistic missile killer until India’s indigenous Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) comes online in the coming decade.

    Old & Trusted Ally
    Since the Soviet era, Russia and India have enjoyed mutually beneficial strategic relations, especially in the field of defense and military cooperation.
    In 2014, the total value of weapons and military hardware delivered by Russia to India reached $4.7 billion, according to Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation estimates.
    The S-400 Triumph is an air defense missile system, which integrates a multi-function radar, autonomous detection and targeting systems, anti-aircraft missile systems, launchers, and command and control center. It is capable of firing different three types of missiles capable of destroying aerial targets at short-to-extremely long range.
    Delivery Timeline
    Russia could begin shipping the S-400 ‘Triumf’ anti- aircraft missile defence systems to India in 2020, Sergey Chemezov, head of the state corporation Rostec informed reporters attending the BRICS summit in Goa.
    He was briefing reporters after the 17th India-Russia summit between President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi saw a slew of agreements being signed, including one on India’s purchase of advanced S-400 air defence systems.
    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/06/india-to-buy-12-russian-advanced-s-400.html

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  7. lca-fan

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    Thanks for merging @mods

    I was searching for this thread but could not find.
     
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  8. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    This is an old piece of new ... rehashed and reprinted!

    Nothing much has moved on this front yet.
     
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    Absolutely...... You get such reports every now and then to remind you that there was supposed to be a deal.....
     
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  10. enquencher

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    So what is the status now...are we getting s 400 or not
     
  11. Butter Chicken

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    12 S-400 would be too much....we have our domestic BMD too
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Our bmd at par with S-400? And is our bmd in a deployable stage?
     
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    Without no OTHR the dream of BMD is just the illusion.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    In my opinion, India should invest in S-400 to protect its assets until our bmd is in a deployable stage.
    In that situation, our bmd can supplement the S-400 systems.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    @Hellfire Can you comment on the current status/deployability of our BMDs?
     

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