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India eyes Russian S-400 Triumf + associated news

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by arulcharles, Oct 11, 2015.

  1. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    Our BMD program is divided into two phases. First phase is reportedly complete and it can be deployed. But it's not fully capable to defeat modern Chinese and Pakistani long range ICBMs. S400 will be a stopgap before our phase 2 mature. It would take a decade or so.
     
  2. defc0n

    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Pakistani ICBMs????? When did they get that? why does PAK need ICBM to hit India?
    Secondly, S-400 system will be at the forefront of Indian air defence for quite a long time, a decade is a long time.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    Chinese ICBMs and Pakistani long range missiles (read shaheen 3+).

    Yes, Indian BMD will take time to mature. Israeli help with inputs from Arrow 3 program is expected.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Yeah...Chinese ICBMs are fine, I understand.
    Shaheen 3 has a range of 2750 KM, is a long-range missile but definitely not an ICBM.
    It is the exo-atmospheric interception that is still being developed to deal with these missiles, correct?
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Nothing yet. Reportedly S-300s cover Delhi, and there is some cover over Mumbai. But that is along tiered Air Defence.

    That is what is being done all over India. A tiered Air Defence will check both enemy aircrafts as also incoming BMs by using LRTRs and network integration allowing for seamless interface between the tiers. System is more or less integrated all over India, platforms are being uprated, upgraded and improved.

    But the dedicated BMD is till being developed. A few years off as of today.
     
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    LonewolfSandeep Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    RUSSIA TO SIGN CONTRACT WITH INDIA ON S-400 AIR DEFENSE MISSILE SYSTEM DELIVERIES
    THURSDAY, JUNE 22, 2017 BY INDIANDEFENSE NEWS
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    "We are discussing the technical issues of the deliveries," the head of Russia’s weapons exporter Rosoboronexport said
    LE BOURGET: Russia’s weapons exporter Rosoboronexport expects to sign a contract with India soon on the delivery of S-400 Triumf air defense missile systems, Rosoboronexport Head Alexander Mikheyev said at the Le Bourget international aerospace show on Wednesday.
    "Rosoboronexport is carrying out pre-contractual work with Indian partners. We are discussing the technical issues of the deliveries. I can assure you that both our company and the Indian side are set to sign the contract soon," the chief executive told journalists.
    An agreement on the delivery of S-400 antiaircraft missile systems to India was signed by the Russian and Indian governments in October 2016.
    The Rosoboronexport chief also said that the deliveries of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems to China would begin in compliance with the schedule.
    "The S-400 Triumf long-range air defense missile systems will be delivered to China in strict compliance with the contract concluded between Rosoboronexport and the Chinese side. There are no causes to doubt the timely and qualitative fulfilment of the accords," the company’s head said.
    The S-400 Triumf is the most advanced long-range antiaircraft missile system that went into service in Russia in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles, and can also be used against ground objectives.
    The S-400 can engage targets at a distance of 400 km and at an altitude of up to 30 km.
    Russian Aerospace Force Commander-in-Chief Viktor Gumyonny said in April that the troops started to receive missiles for S-400 systems capable of destroying targets in outer space.

    http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/06/russia-to-sign-contract-with-india-on-s.html
     
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    kill vehicle of USA



    basically current method to destroy an Ballistic missile war head is placing a very hard object (kill vehicle -which can destroy the extremely hard ballistic missile warhead) in the way of incoming missile warhead. this is known as hit to kill.
    1. to place the kill vehicle in a safe height such that if the warhead detonates before hit , the explosion should not affect the city.
    2. the height should not be high enough that the ballistic missile do some maneuver and avoid the kill vehicle (DF 21 can do maneuver in terminal stage)

    Even if the PAD and AAD are not true BMDs they might be test bed for the kill vehicle.
    the top secret project AD1 and AD2 will be true BMDs with a more suitable boosting stage.
     
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    How many regiments of s300 do we have?
     
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    Reportedly 1 for Delhi. But nothing concrete is known.
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Exact figures will not be revealed but Delhi has the cover and rumours of Srinagar and North East also.
     
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    Sri is not and neither is NE ... not with S-300s :biggthumpup:

    I was simply speaking about S-300 to the specific query.
     
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    @Hellfire can you comment on the air defence layers present in different regions with specifics of what is used to protect them (of course, only if it is not national secret :D)
     
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    Nope, no clue. Whatever is in open sources, all are pointing to structure which is tiered.

    Beyond that neither am I very much aware of specifics nor am I exposed to them.

    Apart from collated data not much is known about this layering as the two main components, that is Air Force and Army Air Defence, are not integrated to a level where seamless operations are a norm.

    This creates a potential 'gap' in terms of information collection and dissemination between the two as not all regions have presence of both components.

    Also, army AD is predominantly postured for army formations, so coverage is dynamic as opposed to static coverage of Air Force. You can appreciate the system on these parameters.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I understand & agree with the army defence being dynamic, so it should be.
    I am more concerned about the defence of India's assets in terms of important cities and specific locations Viz. Nuclear power plants, ISRO, Bhaba Atomic Research Center and places of financial importance in Mumbai. I really wonder what India's solution to a BM attack on these places going to be even if the chances be remote.
     
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    Specifically for BM defence, no country can claim it as a success.

    'Sensitive' sites have got layered defences, but one will be a bit hard pressed to say that city like Kanyakumari for example, is protected. Hence, pockets of bare minimum coverage exist over India, but then the routes needed to reach these areas (in terms of coverage of air space) is well protected.

    The protection level is provided based on threat perception as also from realistic targeting potential. Targeting of Gangtok or Imphal for example, by a BM, is of little relevance. But targeting of Delhi or Mumbai, makes a significant symbolic gesture.
     
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