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India-Japan to Seal Amphibious Aircraft Deal During Shinzo Abe's Visit

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Abingdonboy, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    A Japan Maritime Self-Defense Forces US-2 search-and-rescue amphibian plane, manufactured by ShinMaywa Industries Ltd in a handout photo released by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Forces. (Reuters)

    New Delhi: While much of the focus on big-ticket deals during Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s visit is going to be on the Mumbai-Ahmedabad high speed train, one other deal will quietly makes waves in defence circles.

    India is all set to buy the US 2i amphibious aircraft ShinMayWa from Japan in a record deal of 1.3 billion dollars.

    India will procure 12 of these aircrafts in flyaway condition. Another 18 will be jointly produced in India as part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ambitious Make in India programme.

    The negotiations had been stuck on this deal since 2010 because of ‘excessive price’. Japan has had 3 Prime Ministers since then. But last December when both the Prime Ministers met for their annual summit, they decided to give it a push.

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    Earlier this month, former Defence Minister Arun Jaitley visited Tokyo as part of the annual defence dialogue, which is when this deal was reportedly finalized. Jaitley met his counterpart Itsunori Onodera and removed the last remaining glitches to sew up this deal.

    The Indian Navy plans to deploy these amphibious aircraft in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and use it to patrol the Indian Ocean region. These aircraft with a flying range of 4,500 kilometres would allow the Navy to ensure freedom of navigation and open sea lanes in waters that have been hotly contested in recent times.

    If this deal comes through during Abe’s visit, it will be Japan’s largest defence export deal. Japan changed its decade-long policy of not exporting defence equipment in 2014, with growing provocations from China over disputed islands in the East China Sea.

    Shinzo Abe has also tried in the past, but unsuccessfully, to change the pacifist Japanese constitution.

    There is a growing realization that the only way to stop a hegemonic China from changing the status quo in Asia Pacific is by bringing Tokyo and New Delhi together.

    Japan is now a regular partner in the Malabar exercise since 2012 which initially was a bilateral exercise between the Indian and US navies.


    http://www.news18.com/news/india/in...-aircraft-deal-during-abes-visit-1517115.html



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    12 off the shelf + 18 made in India, a big depature from previous reports (only 12 off the shelf) and a BIG win for India although I hope at least a few of these find their way to the ICG, 30 of these beasts is a HUGE development.


    Gives us an indication of where Modi's agenda is going @PARIKRAMA ;) ;)
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Japan should give some kind of short time loan for this. This is not a priority for IN or ICG but for indo-japan strategic relationship.
     
  3. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I thought this aircraft is only for defensive purpose, but 30s of them isnt too much for defensive operations or it can be used against Pakistan ?
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The procurement always included an assembly line and ToT, the only change seems to be the total number, which went up from 12 to 30.
    Either way, a sad waste of money. Japan has so much useful stuff to offer and we chose this for that much money.
     
  5. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Agreed and that may be the case given the G2G nature of this deal.

    "Defensive" is a meaningless term when it comes to military assets. It will be supporting military and thus offensive ops even when it isn't. This bird will undertake SAR, emergency replenishment/support for the SSN/SSBN/carrier battle groups, deployment of SOF units, support of island defenses etc etc.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Who says this doesn't open the door to that "useful stuff"? I always felt there was a lot more to this deal than just the planes themselves, this deal is VERY significant in that is is the first time Japan has sold explicitly military equipment to a nation since 1945 and just to get to this point Japan has had to entirely rethink its own laws and priorities.

    In that sense it is foundation for FAR greater things.....
     
  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    As said, this is the least useful product we could have asked for. Australia has asked for SSK and even the UAE went directly for C-2 transport aircrafts, which we could need as well and just as the US-2, they wouldn't come with any offensive capability.

    If we really would wanted credible defence technology, we could have asked to include the F2 to the SE tender, or their wheeled tank destoyers to fight China, not to mention naval vessels! Japan is one of the world leaders when it comes to naval vessels and we ask them for ampibious aircrafts???

    There is no denying that we should increase the relations with Japan, that's why it was a good step from MMS to start it, but even then I criticised, that the US-2 is the worst choice as a payback.
     
  8. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Let's see what the future holds, this is a breakthrough moment for Indo-Japanese ties and I'm sure there are going to be some very interesting developments as a result soon enough....

    We cannot really comment too much as we don't know what was going on behind the scenes nor what the strategic considerations are. At least one of the greatest revelations is that Modi added the Make in India componant to this deal. In the near future the C-295 and US-2 are going to be made in India, this wasn't even imaginable 5 years ago.
     
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    Glad to see a sale for Japanese defence indsutry.

    USA has been trying to revive it for a while now.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Again, the deal was meant to have an assembly line from the start

    Oh please, why not? Both these deals were issued by the former government and the only issue that both government faced, was the lack of interest of Indian privat players in the Arvo replacement.

    Do you know who was the first, that started reforming Indian defence, with the intention to make India a defence manufacturing hub? That didn't started with the make in India marketing. :rolleyes2:
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Not this nonsense again, who cares who first thought something up, no one gets credit for thinking. Which govt has actually implemented these plans/thoughts/intentions?

    CONgress scumbags crying every five seconds that Modi/BJP are stealing their ideas as though it is enough to simply imagine it and never follow through.
     
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    Hope this deal materialises & lay foundation of Indo-Japan Military ties which may results in some Nasty Toys for our Navy.
     
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  13. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Lol, the former government! FICV and the Avro replacement were opened up to privat Indian players under AK Antony!

    The NDA government re-issued the SAME Avro replacement tender after the election again, but after only Airbus and Tata replied (just as under the former government), Arun Jaitley cancelled the tender and re-issued it again without HAL getting a chance to participate, but with the same result as before. And that's btw the same status of that tender today!
    I know you have an issue with giving Antony credit at all, but you can't deny facts!

    FICV btw, haven't moved an inch from the tender changes that Antony brought back then, since the new government haven't done anything in that regard so far, because of the SPM.

    So bottom line remains, Make in India is just a marketing term:

    (http://indiandefence.com/threads/de...-real-or-just-a-hype.59512/page-5#post-556017)

    and Avro replacement as well as US-2 were issued with production / assembly in India from the former government.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Recap:

    http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKBREA0R0HJ20140128
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    lol :p So, India have to modify it for military requirements :p
     

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