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India loses its edge over China's navy

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by OverLoad, Apr 3, 2017.

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  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Come on man, now that is the limiting factor? :D The excuses we come up just to convince ourselfs that China can't develop or operate a propper CBG are fantastic. In terms of fantasy we certainly beat the Chinese navy.
    But isn't their track record in learning from Ukraine faaaaar better then ours from anybody? They developed J15 and the carrier via Ukraine, we chose Airbus to navalise NLCA, because they had so much "experience" in navalising fighters and for the IAC1 we chose an Italian design and now suddenly most of the fighters on the market might not be suitable.

    Can they provide supplies, fuel and even ammo if needed on a port that they own in Pakistan? Can they fly in a 2nd crew for the sub?
    Can we stop them to do all the mentioned things, only because it's not an official Chinese naval Base?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Well modern SSKs are more than capable as exercises have shown all over the world. Weren't the Chinese even able to pop up next to an US carrier during? And we know that Swedish and German AIP subs did well against US carrier groups too. So I wouldn't take them that easy either.

    We need a follower order of at least AIP SSKs and maybe some of the Shortfin Barracuda subs that Australia ordered. What I read about the sensors and the pump jet propulsion could be a great advantage and possibly a good addition to our future SSNs/SSBNS too.
     
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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Not at all, operationalization of any weapon system, and then adding that into your OrBat. That is totally different game.

    Nothing to do with it that Ukraine have all blueprint, so they know operational plans also, ask any navy men, how much different is operationalization.

    Decades of practice and exercise require to operationalise a single CBG and its doctrine. And in a situation you claiming this when they not able to leave Spartly islands,

    Ask this there carriers are even threat to Vietnam?

    Now you jumped to Pakistan, what's in your mind, Ormara Naval Station?
     
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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Airbus have experience in R&D,

    not in operationalization of warplans.

    If ADA develop AMCA, doesn't mean they know whole IAF plans. And how IAF gonna use it.
     
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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    No submarine captain ever surface his submarine like that. You lost your initiative which US dont know about, and no future missions like such ever be possible. Because indeed then US take corrective steps. And that's what peace time is for.

    You revealing your secrecy, stealthness to your enemy in peacetime, one should laugh on Chinese, if they really done so.

    The only reason is they surfaced because US Navy forced them.

    Even AIP never able to compete with SSN.
     
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    Jus for Info Chinese Navy

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    That is not Chinese Navy, that is PLAN. That is not a Nation's Navy, but a Navy of a party.
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    Just Info How Chinese are Stacked up against Japanese. Stats by 2014

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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    If u understand such stuff, and what effect it do on a Navy, then good. Even I should do a facepalm.
     
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    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Facepalm, Japanese is a ethnic slur, atleast don't use it on a open forum. Even if you hate them, that's kool. But don't use it.
     
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    More Comparison Info...

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    I agree that they need training, but that's what they are doing in various ways, but when you see what we say to disregard that, it simply gets irrational.

    You mentioned this before, what do you mean by that?

    Didn't jumped still pointing to the fact that it doesn't matter if the port is called civil or for militaty. As long as China owns it and has the storage facilities for supplies and ammo, they can provide the necessary logistics to support and extend operations in the IOR without a single dedicated military port or a carrier around.

    And that's the point, the logical way would had been, to ask Mikoyan for consultancy and the same Russian shipyard that build Viki, but since logic is not our preference, we made it the complicated way.
    Chin a has far less options but still goes the logical way and end up ahead of us. So no need to think that they didn't learned from Ukraine or Brazil.
     
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    Rofl, You are still discussing logic, very much appreciate for your patience...
    Kewl...
     
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    And a person talking about logics who using racial and ethnic slurs openly, and even after I pointed out still not edited it. That means you believe in it.

    Sorry, I don't even need logics, I don't want to logic with you, that is my last post for you.
     

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