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India offers to buy more Apache helicopters, hopes to drive down costs

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  1. tusharm

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    India offers to buy more Apache helicopters, hopes to drive down costs | Defenceradar News

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    India has offered to increase an order for U.S. Apache helicopters to drive down costs as the two sides race to close a $1.4 billion deal, officials said, the first big military contract since a new government took office in New Delhi.

    The Apache gunships and a deal for Chinook helicopters, both built by Boeing, top the agenda for visiting U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s talks on Friday with India’s incoming administration led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

    India and the United States have rapidly expanded military sales in recent years, despite discord in areas such as trade and intellectual property rights.

    Washington is keen to further step up defence cooperation with India, which it sees as a key strategic partner in Asia in the face of an increasingly powerful and assertive China.

    India has offered a follow-on order of 39 AH-64D Apache helicopters in addition to the 22 now being negotiated, a defence ministry official said. The two sides have been wrangling over the price of the gunships in a deal estimated to be worth $1.4 billion.

    The initial batch of helicopters is meant to replace the Indian Air Force’s ageing fleet of Soviet-era aircraft and will be armed with Hellfire and Stinger missiles.

    The Indian army has separately requested a fleet of at least 39 of these attack aircraft, some of which will be deployed as part of a new mountain division it is raising along the disputed border with China, an army official said.

    “The point is we are looking at 60 to 70 pieces eventually, so the expectation is the vendor will factor that in, in the price negotiations,” said the defence ministry official, asking not to be named in line with ministry policy.

    U.S. defence sales to India have grown from the low hundreds of millions of dollars in the decade to 2008 to more than $9 billion since that year.

    According IHS Jane’s, a defence research firm, India was the top foreign buyer of U.S. arms last year.

    U.S. officials say there is the potential for billions of dollars of new sales in the next few years and are hoping the Modi administration can overcome bureaucratic obstacles that have held up some deals.

    The two sides are also in talks to finalise a contract for the Indian Air Force to buy 15 CH-47F Chinooks, a twin-rotor helicopter capable of lifting heavy loads, also valued at $1.4 billion.

    CONVERGING INTERESTS

    Hagel’s trip, which will also take him to Australia, is focused on converging U.S. and Indian interests in the Asia-Pacific, the Pentagon said.

    It follows U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit last week and is part of the build-up to Modi’s talks with U.S. President Barack Obama in Washington in September aimed at revitalising ties between the world’s two largest democracies.

    Hagel will discuss ways to strengthen military cooperation with India including exercises, defence, trade, co-production and co-development, Pentagon press secretary Navy Rear Admiral John Kirby said.

    India’s cabinet has just cleared a proposal to allow 49 percent foreign participation in the defence industry, up from a current cap of 26 percent, in a bid to boost local manufacturing and end its decades-long dependence on overseas acquisitions that made it the world’s biggest arms importer in recent years.

    Some Western manufacturers have been lukewarm about the raising of the cap on defence investment, saying it did not go far enough for them to transfer technology to India.

    But Lalit Mansingh, an influential former Indian ambassador to the United States who has been pushing for greater ties with Washington, said it was a good start.

    “Companies that want 100 percent will wait till the sector is opened up fully, but I am pretty sure there are American companies ready to come in,” said Mansingh. “They have been eyeing the market for a while now.”

    Source : Reuters
    India offers to buy more Apache helicopters, hopes to drive down costs | Defenceradar News



    So total 22+39=61 apache ah64D will be ordered
     
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    isnt it better to go for joint development of Ka52 then buying Ah64

    we can never be sure of spares supply by US during conflicts
     
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    India is not acquiring Ah64 via FMS it is going in a hybrid procurement with Boeing.
     
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    yes but the US govt can still stop the spares sales

    we will also have to purchase hellfire & stinger and keep purchasing them

    will they integrate Nag & Astra & Brahmos M in future - Probably not

    Our missiles potential orders are lost
     
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    You are assuming that the IAF is running blind in a room with spikes.
     
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    well i read that they will be bought with hellfires & stingers

    no mention of future integration provisions

    and anyways IAF loves Phoren products desi products have to shoved down thier throats
     
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    The Ah-64E is about a century ahead of what HAL is making.

    I prefer advanced "phoren" products to unreliable and sub standard "desi" products. I am sure the IAF Marshals think along the same lines in order to meet their objectives of Power Projection.

    The current Mi-35 at Pakistan border in Pathankot can be very deadly in a limited scale conflict. The Ah-64 will be a vast upgrade. The Rudra will be a massive downgrade. The LCH is still in development and when deployed will still be a downgrade vis-a-vis the Mi-35
     
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    when we are discussing desi products - Nag, Astra & Branhos M integration with either Ka52 / Apache

    does it make sense to talk about & compare Mi35/LCH/Rudra/Apache ?
     
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    It makes sense to make the IAF a competent fighting force rather than play host to a UPA fanatic's wet dream of equipping the IAF with sub-standard weapons and aircrafts.
     
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    :facepalm:

    Apache deal was initiated and brought to closure by UPA -

    Indian missiles integration can & should be part of the deal

    no sense in keeping on buying the USmissiles as part & parcel of the deal
     
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    The deal has not been brought to closure. Read the thread title for once "hopes to drive down costs".

    Initiating and doing are 2 very different things. Initiating is just paperwork. Closure or doing is the real objective.

    As a great man once said a person goes hunting in a jungle when a tiger appears in front of him. He reaches for his gun but only finds his gun license with the actual gun lying in his jeep.

    Hellfire and Stinger are incorporated into the Apache platform.
    The whole world uses it so whats wrong if India uses it.

    Indian missiles can be deployed on Indian choppers like Rudra which are unlikely to be deployed on front lines ( for obvious reasons which retarded people may not comprehend )
     
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    The whole world is ready to sing the FTA -WTO deal so why dosent INDIA too follow the whole world ?

    what the whole world does, is it necessary that we follow them

    anyway you have your opinion i have my opinion

    lets leave it at that as neither me nor you are going to decide on it
     
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    The Modi govt wants to protect Indian farmer interests instead of creating jobs in western nations from where your Italian masters come from.

    The IAF must be a competent fighting force with power projection capabilities not buy local products just for the sake of buying them.
     
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