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Discussion in 'Internal Affairs' started by omya, Oct 7, 2017.

  1. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    It is that time of the year when all Hindus are shamed for celebrating one of their most important festivals – Diwali. Apart from lights, the festival is celebrated with fireworks. The common point of accusation against the Hindus is that the festival causes pollution, and serious harm to health of kids and adults alike. Plus we are also reminded of animals getting disturbed by loud noises and being hazardous to birds.

    While smoke is an issue on Diwali day, let us take stock of the facts about pollution – and Diwali’s contribution to it. There are few threads in this problem:

    • The overall pollution levels and the source thereof
    • The persistence of firecracker pollution
    • The economics of fireworks in the recent years.
    A Greenpeace report claims that all around the year, the Indian metropolis are uninhabitable with respect to air quality. Particularly Delhi, has the distinction of being the most polluted city in the world. Average year round air pollutant levels in Delhi were more than 5 times the safe levels as specified by India and were 10 times higher of that as specified by WHO.

    The report identified construction and vehicular traffic to be the two largest contributors of pollution. The third largest contributor was practice of burning paddy husk in nearby states. While such a detailed analysis has not been done for other cities, anecdotal evidence suggests that construction dust may be the biggest culprit, when it comes to air pollution.

    Besides construction dust and vehicular pollution, bad infrastructure (as in bad roads) creates suspended particular matter that are effective respiratory pollutants. This is particularly true of metros where civil amenities are more of a wish than a reality. From the above points, it is clear that majority of the pollution in our cities is a persistent year round issue and is not singularly caused during Diwali.

    There was a research paper published by IIT-Kanpur in 2016, which studies the issue of pollution and its causes in great detail; in and around the National Capital Region. One particular figure in this report is educative. The figure has been reproduced below:

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    The time series graph shows the pollution levels in Delhi during the month of November (year) 2013. The first data point is Diwali day – and one does see that the pollutant levels were much higher than the mean [red and blue dotted lines]. What is interesting however, are the pollution level spikes on the 5th of November, on the 9th and 11th, and on 21 through 23rd.

    In fact, the pollution levels on the 23rd of November are far higher than on Diwali day. One may argue that the Diwali pollution persists for three weeks, but the data falsifies such a hypothesis. In fact, we find that the pollutant level on Diwali day falls well below the mean levels by the next day. Furthermore, the median pollutant levels across the month also seem to be well below mean levels. These two data together suggests that the pollution caused by Diwali is extremely short-lived (less than 24 hrs), and is no worse than the usual sporadic spikes of pollutants that are observed in Delhi.

    Another aspect of Diwali that gets condemned is the noise pollution. While firecrackers used to be noisy (upto 140 dB) in the past, continuous revisions in acceptable noise levels have brought down the overall noise levels to less than 100 dB – and that was the maximum noise by a firecracker. In fact, the overall noise levels across several cities were measured to be between 60 dB and 90 dB (far lesser than the 100 dB of the noisiest cracker). Compare this with a typical noise level in a city junction: honking creates noise in excess of 100 dB.

    A look at the differential noise between a normal day and Diwali noises shows that in many places, the differences are marginal. In fact, in some cities, the differences are so marginal that one may consider it to be well within expected variation.

    This figure is from a Central Pollution Control Board study on pollution during Diwali across India (2014). Sadly, this report doesn’t provide confidence intervals for the noise levels; nor does it provide any P-values for the differences in noise between normal and Diwali day. What is clear, is that Diwali is likely to be as noisy as any normal working day in Indian cities:

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    A statistical test for Bangalore for Normal and Diwali days (screen shot below) shows that the mean difference in noise between a normal and festival day in the city is barely 2 dB. In other words, the difference is negligible. Diwali doesn’t create any extra-ordinary noise pollution than an normal day
    [​IMG]Last but not least, we come to the question of economics. Several reports such as this one point out that fire cracker sales have been falling drastically, on an annual basis. This particular report cites a 20% reduction YoY in sales for five consecutive years. Such drastic reduction in fire cracker sales would mean at least a halving of total sales (taking a base line of 100 INR, -20% CAGR for 5 years leaves us with 32 INR – or a 68% reduction).

    In one particular year, 2015-2016, the fall was 25%. Yet, some newspaper reports claimed a 40% increase in pollution on Diwali due to firecrackers. This doesn’t compute: how can one cut down firecracker purchase by almost 70%, and still end up with 40% increased smoke?

    Does it mean that firecrackers are creating 3 times as much smoke as before? While it is “possible”, it is not probable. And the jury will be out on this one until specific studies are done. On the other hand, given the first graph we saw – one could argue that majority of the pollution is due to other causes, and Diwali smoke only marginally adds to it. This seems to be the more likely scenario – at least for Delhi.

    In summary, pollution increase during Diwali – of both the air, and noise, is likely marginal, and more importantly, extremely temporary in nature. Vilification of both the festival and those who celebrate it on environmental grounds, seems like vested hatred than anything else.

    Editor’s note: This piece was reproduced from the Author’s blog named “Rumbles of a Lonely Mammoth”, do check that out. You can also follow him on twitter, his twitter handle is @SirBullyMammoth.

    http://www.opindia.com/2017/10/why-...-pollution-on-diwali-is-completely-misplaced/
     
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  2. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Every citizen of India should be pushed to reduce every sort of pollution possible. That means open slaughter and resulting streams of blood in streets during Muslim festivals, that means loudspeakers and noise emanating from any place of worship or loud religious processions which play music wherever they pass, that means firecrackers and any other form of air pollution - regardless of who is doing them and why. And so on so forth.

    No community should feel targeted, but the Government needs to come down hard on everyone regarding pollution.
     
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  3. InfoWarrior

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    Deepawali was originally festival of simple earthen lamps

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    People of Ayodhya welcomed their dear king and queen Ram and Sita with open arms. Ram was always considered to be the rightful owner of throne of Ayodhya by his subjects. Bharata who ruled the kingdom for 14 years at request of Ram and awaiting his return was overjoyed. To mark the occasion people lighted lamps and decorated entire Ayodhya with rows of diyas (earthern clay pots) in the dark night of 'Amavasya'.

    Now Deepawali has become Diwali festival of crackers :cray:

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  4. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    crackers on chritmas ok
    crackers on fifa world cup ok
    crackers on any other sports ok

    crackers on diwali not ok

    fuking hypocrites
     
  5. The enlightened

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    One has (as the author is) to be pretty retarded to believe that there is no or negligible increase in noise, light and air pollution during Diwali. Maybe he is an NRI who has never seen a single Diwali night, or breathed in the air the next morning.
     
  6. The enlightened

    The enlightened Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    No, but the problem is of the sheer volume during Diwali that no other event can match.

    Which is why the logical thing is to curb all firecrackers sale above phuljadi and chakri (except for use after India-Pakistan match).
     
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  7. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The whole issue of Love Jihad has almost become synonymous with Kerala in recent months.

    We had reported that the Supreme Court had ordered the National Investigative Agency (NIA) to probe an alleged love jihad case of a girl named Akhila Asokan. In that case the marriage of the girl with a man named Shafin Jahan, had been declared null and void by the Kerala High Court thanks to a petition by the girl’s father. The father had alleged that the girl was forced to convert after being abducted and wrongly confined at an illegal Islamic conversion center.

    The plot had later thickened after it was reported that a common mentor named Sainaba, associated with the radical group Popular Front of India (PFI), “lured” the two girls including Akhila into accepting Islam.

    Now in an interesting development, it has been reported that the communist Left Front government of Kerala told the Supreme Court on Saturday that there was no need for a NIA probe into the matter.

    It reportedly told the court in an affidavit that the state police was effectively investigating the case. Its affidavit also claimed that the state police’s investigation had not revealed any offences which warranted a probe by the NIA. It also claimed that the state government was competent enough to conduct such a probe.

    Intrestingly the government had earlier expressed no such objections about the NIA probe. The next hearing of the case is on Monday.

    What is the reason behind the State government’s sudden reluctance to let the probe go ahead. Is it now afraid that the probe would open a can of worms?

    We had recently reported that the NIA government is already making substantial headway into the whole matter by probing a total of 32 love jihad cases which have reportedly happened in the state. The agency has also asked the Kerala police to give details of alleged forced conversions which have been carried out in Therbiyathul Islam Sabha in Kozhikode, which is a religious centre authorised by the Kerala government.

    It may also just be the beginning as the total love jihad cases in the state are pegged at 92 and the NIA has claimed that it would be uncovering the whole racket.

    http://www.opindia.com/2017/10/kera...o-stop-nia-probe-into-states-love-jihad-case/
     
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  8. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    If u drive a vehicle everyday for 2 hours then u make more pollution than a one guy blowing firecrackers on diwali.
     
  9. sangos

    sangos Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    NIA should probe the leftist govt.
     
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  10. InfoWarrior

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    nearly 1.5 lakh Hindus commit suicide every year in India. Hindus need Maharishis like Shambuka not Samanthwadis and manuwadis.

     
  11. Flyboy!

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    When did crackers and explosives get into Hindu culture during Diwali festivities? As far as history goes, modern gunpowder-fireworks was invented in China.
     
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  12. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    'Kerala govt issues directive to police saying don't waste your time in bullshit cases like love jihad because there are real crime cases you need to handle. If you don't do it we will end up like BJP ruled states of UP/ Bihar etc. (under developed, illiterate etc.)
     
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    Two wrongs dont make a right. The truth is that fireworks were never a part of hindu culture nor tradition, it was simply dumped onto us by dynasties like the Moghuls and the Pandyas who used firecrackers to pompously celebrate royalty (thus fireworks did not belong to any particular religion). Additionally the Chettiar traders who made frequent trips to southern china returned with the know-how of pyrotechnics and places like Sivakasi were established. In many villages, they still celebrate diwali in the authentic way - maybe a few crackers and traditional family festivities (crackers are expensive and scare the hell out of farm animals). In the cities meanwhile, its just a mindless show of wealth.
     
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    infinite times better than Kerala ending up into a radical islamist shithole

    unfortunately it is already half way into it
     
  15. Notsuperstitious

    Notsuperstitious 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    UP and Bihar have been ruled for the most part by secular parties.

    But dont let facts come in the way of your rants.
     
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