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  1. omya

    omya Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Jharkhand: Fatwa issued against Muslim woman for teaching yoga

    A fatwa has been issued against a Muslim woman from Jharkhand for teaching yoga, the news agency ANI reported.

    The woman, Rafia Naaz, told ANI she had received many threats, and expressed gratitude to the state government for providing her with security.

    "I will not be scared and will continue with what I am doing," she said.

    A defiant Naaz, a graduate student of commerce who has performed yoga with Baba Ramdev, has said she will "continue to do yoga and teach yoga" for as long as she lives, according to a Mirror Now report.

    The report says Chief Minister Raghubar Das himself asked state police to protect the girl.

    "What is wrong if some woman teaches yoga?" Shia cleric Maulana Saif Abbas asked.

    "Protesting this is highly condemnable," he said.

    "Some people have made religion a joke."



    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/news...nst-muslim-woman-for-teaching-yoga/ar-BBEM50T
     
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    'Stop teaching Yoga' - Fatwa issued against Muslim girl teaching Yoga in Ranchi

    RANCHI: Rafia Naaz, a popular Muslim girl who teaches yoga in Jharkhand, has received death threats from the members of her own community after which the authorities decided to step up security around her.

    Reports on Tuesday said that the girl is facing a threat to her life from members of her own community, who have asked him not to teach yoga to anyone.

    The matter was brought to the notice of Sanjay Kumar, Principal Secretary to Jharkhand Chief Minister Raghubar Das.

    On his instructions, the police stepped up the security of the girl.

    Acting on the instructions, Ranchi Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Kuldeep Dwivedi even sent a police team to meet the girl.

    She has also been provided two security guards - one male and one female – the reports quoting Jharkhand Police said.

    A resident of Doranda locality in Ranchi, Rafia Naaz ekes out a living for her family by teaching yoga.

    She is the eldest of her siblings and also doing M.Com from a local college.

    Naaz rose to fame after she shared the stage with yoga guru Ramdev in the city some time back.

    Her family members are scared of threats issued by the members of her own community. She was threatened with fatwa if she continued with her yoga teaching.

    "My problem is with members of both communities. On one hand, I am asked not to teach yoga, and on the other, I am asked to change my name so that people do not hesitate to learn Yoga from me," Rafia told reporters.

    Naaz, however, said, "I will continue to do yoga and teach yoga till the end of my life."

    (With inputs from IANS)

    http://zeenews.india.com/jharkhand/...lim-girl-teaching-yoga-in-ranchi-2055127.html
     
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    Jihad against Yoga. Muslim Yoga teacher Rafia Naaz’s house attacked in Ranchi by Islamists.
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    Branded as a ‘stooge of Hindu Kaffirs’, young Muslim Yoga teacher Rafia Naaz threatened by Maulanas and her house attacked in Ranchi by fanatic Islamist hooligans.

    Preeti Jalan | HENB | Ranchi | Nov 10, 2017:: As if an ‘alleged’ fatwa+ was not enough, a group of Islamist hooligans today created ruckus outside the residence of a Muslim Yoga teacher from Jharkhand. Rafia Naaz, against whom a fatwa was issued by an extremist faction as believed, while she was giving live interview to various media houses.

    As per India Today+, the ruckus was triggered after a cleric from the locality watched the live telecast. The cleric who allegedly got offended by the interview soon came with an angry mob to Rafia’s residence. An irate mob gathered outside Rafia’s house resorted to stone pelting and sloganeering.

    The cleric said that during Rafia’s interview an objectionable remark was made against him.

    As per Zee News reporting+, some unidentified persons on Friday hurled stones at the house of Rafia Naaz – a Muslim girl who is facing the ire of her community members for teaching yoga in Jharkhand’s Ranchi.

    The shocking incident occurred while Rafia Naaz was sharing her views with Zee Media on the fatwa issued against her by the members of her community recently.

    Some members of the community gathered outside her house in Ranchi and hurled stones, which further petrified the young girl while was live on Zee Media and sharing how she was being targeted for teaching yoga.

    It’s shocking that the Jharkhand Police yet not arrested anybody in connection with the attack on the house of the Muslim Yoga Teacher in the Doranda locality (Hatia area) of Ranchi, even after the attackers were seen in the available live video coverage from many sources.


    Meanwhile, noted yoga guru Ramdev has now come out in support of Rafia. She rose to fame after she shared the stage with yoga guru Ramdev in the city sometimes back.

    Reacting to the incident, Ramdev today said, ”From Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan to Saudi Arabia so many Muslims practice Yoga. It is an exercise which is good for mental and physical wellness.”

    ”Religion shouldn’t be brought into this,” Ramdev said while reacting to reports of stones being hurled at Rafia Naaz’s house in Ranchi.

    It is also reported that in a ‘Jihad against Yoga’, the attackers on Rafia Naaz’s house were shouting slogans against Yoga, Baba Ramdev, Rafia with filthy languages and they were trolling Rafia as a ‘Stooge of Hindu Kafirs’.

    The arrogant Muslims gathered in front of Rafia’s house were raising slogans, “हिन्दू काफिरों को परिंदा रफ़ीआ मुर्दाबाद।”; “मुस्लिम पर योग थोपनेवाला रामदेव मुर्दाबाद।” — Stooge of Hindu Kaffirs, Rafia Go to hell; Yoga propagator in Muslims, Ramdev go to hell… etc.

    Off late a section of Muslim people of the locality stood in favour of Rufia condemning the life threat against the Yoga teacher and finally, Rufia told HENB, “I will continue to do Yoga and teach Yoga till the end of my life.”



    __Inputs from Zee News, India Today and Times Now.

    https://hinduexistence.org/2017/11/...-naazs-house-attacked-in-ranchi-by-islamists/
     
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    FYI, the spread of Wahabism is more in Kerala when compared to Hyderabad. Owaisi's for all their muslim love are shias and they hate Wahabi ideology and try to keep it from entering the state.
    Rest whatever you said is true, but there is no state encouragement to spread Wahabism in AP,TG as the parties which rule it are Hindu or pro-Hindu. The situation won't be bad in Telugu states as in Kerala as people resist and fought such Islamic radicalism, that is not happening in Kerala, the Hindus there are dhimmis. Telugu states never had a Muslim party ruling over it or in coalition with a ruling party.In Kerala Ruling party is in coalition with Muslim league or needs its support,so it will close its eyes to creeping Islamic fanaticism and Love Jihad.
     
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    That's what i said other than tourism some Social development indices,most of the residents work in Gulf due to lack of investment,Industries which are driven off due to Socialist policies and where there are union and labor strikes every two days,

    There is a system called Nokku kooli is an euphimism for extortion by organized labour unions in Kerala under which wages are paid to trade union activists for allowing common householders/ investors/builders to unload belongings/materials using machines or their own labour.[1] This happens with the tacit support of political parties including those in government. In Malayalam, 'nokku kooli', translates into 'gawking wages' or 'wages for (just) looking on'.[2]

    A Malayalam Writer, Paul Zakaria, illustrates Nokku Kooli with the following example:

    You are, say, moving house. The worker comrades demand a prodigious sum to load/unload; so you decide to do it yourself with help from friends. The comrades look on from a distance; when you’re done, they ask to be paid the demanded wages. If you don’t pay up, there is a bit of violence and you get hurt. The revolution in Kerala says the worker must be paid even if he doesn’t work. That is a kind of workers’ paradise even Marx did not anticipate.[4]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokku_kooli

    Now tell me which company would invest or start a venture in such conditions.
     
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    The Left views shrine desecration purely in political terms, the Right purely as an outcome of doctrine. But an accurate analysis needs both a political critique and a critique of Islam.
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    Aug 26, 2015 · 06:30 pm
    Girish Shahane

    In a world filled with picturesque ruins, Palmyra is among the most magical, its beauty at certain moments so overwhelming that it becomes painful. I was privileged to spend a few days there five years ago, including one night in accommodation within the main complex which meant we had the columns, arches and buildings virtually to ourselves in the fresh dawn. At twilight, as we watched the sandstone acquire a delicate rose glow, I felt like a bridge in time had opened up, and Queen Zenobia might pass through the central avenue at the head of a procession.

    I have waited with incipient grief and anger for news of ISIS destroying the carefully reconstructed 2,000- year-old treasure. The group repeatedly vandalised the site after it took control of the region in May, but the scale of its destruction accelerated last week when it beheaded Palmyra’s revered 82 year-old chief curator Khaled Asaad, and later dynamited one of the most important structures, the temple of Baal Shamin.

    Those awful actions, like the Taliban’s destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas a decade ago, have once again brought to the foreground Islam’s history of iconoclasm. Right-wingers will paint the act as characteristic of the faith, while the Left will argue for a political understanding rather than a doctrinal one. Such deeds, we liberals will explain, are carried out by adherents of an extreme version of Islam, which should not be taken to represent the moderate majority. It’s another matter that this extreme doctrine, call it Salafism or Wahhabism, has been gaining strength steadily for decades and can hardly be called a fringe belief system any longer.

    The debate has more resonance in India than any other nation, for it is here that Islamic iconoclasm remains an unhealed wound. The Hindu Right makes contemporary political capital of the destruction of temples by Muslim armies in centuries past. I have written frequently about the falsehoods inherent in the Hindutva version of history, falsehoods which in many cases are taken as historical truths by the mainstream and not just the Hindutva flock. I urge a reading of this article published five years ago about historical biases contained in the India edition of the popular guidebook Lonely Planet, to balance the rest of this column.

    Finding the balance

    Much as the Right’s view of Islam’s history is blinkered and inaccurate, the Left’s reflexive defensiveness has brought it dangerously close to becoming an apologist for Islam, and implicitly viewing as victims the faith’s billion-plus adherents. The Left locates caste inequities at the root of Hinduism (and is in my opinion perfectly justified in doing so), and rarely shrinks from citing texts such as the Manusmriti to back that case, but tends to dismiss as "out of context quotation" links between temple desecration and Quranic injunctions, and condemns as essentialist any suggestion of problems at the core of Islam itself. The Right has exploited to the hilt this manifest double standard.

    To flesh out what I have said about the Left’s approach, I will consider the work of Richard Eaton, an Arizona-based historian who has become a hero of the Left for cataloguing instances of shrine destruction in India (his analysis can be found in two parts, here and here) and concluding that only 80 such instances can be accepted with certainty based on contemporary accounts. Eaton further argues that temples were demolished almost exclusively as a consequence of war, and the intent of the destruction was political humiliation of adversaries rather than the fulfillment of any doctrinal imperative. His preference for politics over religion as an explanation for acts of vandalism precisely parallels contemporary left-wing responses to the Taliban and ISIS.

    How accurate is Eaton’s analysis? I will show its weakness based on one example, that of the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan. Shah Jahan was a relatively observant Muslim, unlike his father and forefathers, Jehangir, Akbar, Humayun and Babur, all of whom flouted some of the faith’s basic tenets. On the other hand, in the struggle for succession that brewed for years among his sons, Shah Jahan came down squarely in favour of the least orthodox among them, Dara Shikoh, against the punctiliously observant Aurangzeb. It’s fair to say, then, that Shah Jahan falls precisely in the middle of the scale between heretical and orthodox, and between ecumenical and fundamentalist. He also happens to be one of history’s most famous builders, imbued with an understanding of design unparalleled among major sovereigns. This presumably made him less liable to order temples demolished than a man with the same beliefs but less regard for architectural quality.

    Eaton notes two instances of temple desecration during Shah Jahan’s reign. One involved the demolition of a large shrine in Orchha, described thus in the Shah Jahan Nama of Inayat Khan (edited by W.E.Begley and Z.A.Desai, Oxford Univesity Press, Delhi, 1990):
    When the environs of Orchha became the site of the royal standards, an ordinance was issued authorising the demolition of the idol temple, which Bir Singh Deo had erected at a great expense by the side of his private palace, and also of the idols contained in it (page 161).
    The razing of Orchha’s temple fits precisely into Eaton’s scheme, which is that demolitions occurred as a consequence of conquering new territory or else when "Hindu patrons of prominent temples committed acts of disloyalty to the Indo-Muslim states they served”. Jhujhar Singh, Bir Singh Deo’s son, rebelled against Jehangir in the 1620s and was subdued by Shah Jahan’s forces a few years later. Shah Jahan could be said to have ordered Orchha’s temple levelled as a punishment for Jhujhar Singh’s rebellion.

    Allahabad shrines

    The second case is very different. This involves a general order to demolish new temples across the kingdom:
    It has been previously represented that there were some of the finest Hindu temples at Banaras. In former reigns, the foundations of many new ones had been laid, some of which had been completed while others still remained in an imperfect state; and these the opulent among the pagans were desirous of seeing finished. The infidel-consuming monarch, who is the guardian of true religion, had therefore commanded that at Banaras and throughout the entire imperial dominions, wheresoever idol-temples had been recently built, they should be razed to the ground. Accordingly, in these days it was reported from the province of Allahabad that 70 had been demolished at Banaras alone (pages 89, 90).
    There was no rebellion in Banaras or its environs that had to be put down in 1633. The province had been a stable part of the Mughal empire for decades. Shah Jahan’s order appears to contravene Eaton’s categories, and fall within the ambit of an act motivated more by religious dogma than political calculation. Strangely, Eaton classifies this as one single temple desecration, while it is clear that at least 70 shrines were razed in Allahabad alone. Such special pleading is a consistent feature of his method: he repeatedly takes passages that describe the demolition of dozens or even hundreds of shrines and classifies them as a single temple being torn down. His figure of 80, therefore is probably as far from the truth as the conventional Hindutva figure of 60,000 temples destroyed.

    The Shah Jahan Nama records a third black mark against the builder of the most beautiful monument on the planet. On page 137 of the Begley-Desai edition, which covers events of September-October 1634 in Kashmir, we read:

    His majesty desired to go by boat up to the Kathbal bridge where the navigation of the stream ceases. He accordingly traversed the distance on board a boat, after which he mounted an open litter and arrived at Anantnag. In this pargana was an ancient idol-temple which the monarch, the bulwark of true religion and the destroyer of paganism, ordered to be demolished. And to the pargana itself, which was held in jagir by Islam Khan, he gave the appellation of Islamabad.
    Not a newly constructed place of worship in this case, but one that had stood for perhaps centuries, within a district that was not even controlled by a Hindu chief. Not only does this act of vandalism fall outside Eaton’s analytical framework, it isn’t included in his list of 80 at all. How many more such did he miss? And what does it say for the liberal press that it has so uncritically celebrated such shoddy history writing?

    The Satanic Verses

    As a counter to Eaton’s foregrounding of political circumstance, Palmyra itself provides good examples of the deep-rootedness of Islam’s conflict with idol-bearing buildings. The temple ISIS demolished a few days ago was dedicated to Baal Shamin, often known merely as Ba ‘al, which simply means Lord. Jehovah was called by that name on occasion, but eventually Ba ‘al became one of the Old Testament’s most prominent false gods. It was a short step from false god to devil, a transition that took place in the Christian era with the identification of one of the god’s variant names, Ba ‘al Zebub (or Beelzebub, meaning Lord of the Flies), with Satan. The demonisation of gods worshipped in sites like Palmyra was common to Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and inspired vandals of all three faiths.

    A short walk from the Baal Shamim temple is a shrine dedicated to the goddess Al-lāt. Centuries after Palmyra’s decline, Al-lāt continued to be worshipped across West Asia, notably in the Kaaba at Mecca, where her idol found place alongside her fellow goddesses Manāt, and Al-‘Uzzá. When Muhammad was in a relatively weak position in his struggle against the Meccans, he is said to have considered a religious compromise, which became the basis of the so-called Satanic Verses accepting the three goddesses as intercessors along with the chief deity Allah.
    https://scroll.in/article/857438/en...itish-subsidiary-is-keeping-tata-motors-going

    After the Muslims triumphed against the Meccans, that particular verse was replaced by another which asserted Allah’s absolute uniqueness. It is possible the story of the Satanic Verses is apocryphal, for the evidence for it, though fairly strong, is not incontrovertible. What is beyond doubt is that in 630 CE Muhammad dispatched a follower named Abu Sufyan to destroy the idol and temple of Al-lāt in the city of Taif as a precondition for reconciliation with the besieged citizens. When, ISIS troops reduced to rubble Palmyra’s marvelous "lion of Al-lāt", it is hard to argue they did it without adequate doctrinal sanction. To classify the act as a political manoeuvre is a necessary but not sufficient description of it.

    Neither politics alone nor doctrine alone explains Islamic iconoclasm, but the two are like immiscible liquids that can be shaken together for the length of an article, but never stay blended for long enough to become components of a stable theoretical framework.

    https://scroll.in/article/750968/is...-has-lessons-for-both-left-and-right-in-india
     
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    Wahabism is more in Kerala because of sunnis and Arab influence. Since many muslims work in gulf they absorb Wahabi culture from their.

    Owaisi's old Hyderbad is a island in sea of Hinduism, he is surrounded by BJP opponents like Raja Singh. I have observed that muslims become more secular when confronted by Hindutwa. Because of the fear of Hindutwa muslims try to protray themselves as secular and interests in constitution. Muslims want to manipulate caste conflicts to counter Hindutwa. Hm I think it is Shia Owaisi who is opposing Wahabism.

    Hindus in Kerala are not dhimmis, lots of people from this state work in army. You know how fiercely Hindus of CPM fight RSS. Hindus are confident in defending. In Telugu Hindu population is 90%, but in Kerala it is just 54%. Then much of Kerala is Gulf economy, so it is not profitable to be openly pro-Hindu. If you want to support Hindus in Kerala support by employing right wing Hindus and granting business opportunities. When a Hindu goes right wing, opponents first tries to weaken him financially. Support electric vehicles, phase out crude oil based economy. Muslim league rule has been very bad taste for Hindus, this is why BJP votes have increased to 15%.

    Students boycott class seeking teacher’s ouster
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...-seeking-teacher’s-ouster/article16440659.ece
     
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    Kabba itself is an idol .... remember that.

    A load of bullshit ...

    The lesson from history remains - 'don't lose a war'.

    @InfoWarrior instead of wasting time posting only such useless pieces, something related to defence on this "defence" site will be more appreciated. We are not here to post every Tom, Dick and Harry's perception of established facts.

    There is no denying the fact that the political considerations formed the base of any invasion and NOT religious basis. Even the Crusades were started based on political considerations.

    The Arabs, who were the ones who got converted to Islam in the first place, had tribal loyalties above all else. This led to the problem of consolidation of various tribes into a cohesive fighting unit. Using Islam proved to be the most important and unifying factor in the same.At least one can make attempts to understand and post correct appreciation and not merely the perceptions of everyone they can find.

    And giving an analogy of Shah Jahan!!!!:crazy:

    Babur had to leave Samarkhand as his position was untenable. He conquered Kabul and then moved into Delhi. He needed the support of his mercenaries .. and apart from money, religion was the only other commodity that could drive men to war. People were God Fearing and superstitious in those days. Still are!!!

    How to rule if not using religion? Don't you see that happening in India till date?

    Shah Jehan would obviously be moderator and centrist - he had an established empire and radical views would have been death knell of it. That is a pragmatic ruler.

    Aurangzeb won .. and what happened? Where did the Mughal Empire go with Aurangzeb in chair? He went off to fight Marathas and Jats had him, he came to quell Jats, Sikhs had him, he went to quell ythem, Marathas again had him. Was this seen under Shah Jehan? :flood:

    There are consequences of posting idiocy ... be responsible.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Making a mega thread on social aspects. Please post here
     
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    Muslims become Secular and believe in Constitution in places where they are not majority.This case is true in AP, Australia, USA where they will act as model citizens. This phenomena has been explained in 4 stages by Western authors. Economic boycott and openly threaten other religions are part of that 4 stage agenda, in some villages where there is Muslim majority,the hindu girls are deliberately harassed sexually molested,so the hindu family sells the house and business cheaply to another local muslim and leaves that place forever.
    That is how ghettos are formed.While they keep their women in burqa,they target non-Muslim girls in open.
    All you said about Kerala is true, i got nothing against Keralites, i only see the danger of another Kashmir,which i am worried about. It is incumbent on Keralites to vote for BJP or RW party to secure their futures or they will be another casualty of Secularism as Secularism stood and just watched,when Hindus got driven out of Kashmir.

    Electric vehicles as the agenda of this government and next term it will make India less dependent on oil.Which in turn shuts the taps of Wahabi influence.
     
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    So according to you bill gate was also same. He left the study to be entrepreneur. Why would people waste time in study if they can build their own business empire. Many Gujarati are highly educated still they do business.
     
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    Ya you have 2 -3 points to highlight which you can keep doing. Today there is a news that over 100 keralite youth has join ISIS. What do you want to say?
     
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    Whataboutism. :award:
    Bill gates lol :biggthumpup: He was an exceptional student. You expect entire population to be like that ?!
    Cool, education is not important for a Gujju just like toilet.
     

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