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India Still Pakistan’s Bogeyman

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  1. BlueOval

    BlueOval Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Pakistan’s foreign policy elite continue to view India’s engagements in Afghanistan as going beyond development and challenging Islamabad’s interests in the country, according to a new report.

    The report, published by the U.S. Institute of Peace and Pakistan’s Jinnah Institute and scheduled for release later today in Islamabad, drew on a series of discussions with a wide range of Pakistani bureaucrats, journalists, diplomats and former and serving military officials about what Pakistan is looking for in Afghanistan once U.S. troops pull out in 2014. It is expected to be available online later today at either of these two web sites: U.S. Institute of Peace and Pakistan’s Jinnah Institute.

    A recurring concern raised by participants was India’s spending of over $1 billion in Afghanistan in recent years to fund roads, schools, and other infrastructure. The report said that some in Pakistan’s foreign policy elite see India’s outlays, and New Delhi’s offers to train the Afghan National Security Forces, as an unwanted attempt to influence the end-game in Afghanistan.

    “Project participants explained the Pakistani state’s fears that expanding Indian influence over a primarily non-Pashtun government in Kabul could lead the latter to be increasingly hostile towards Islamabad,†the report said. “Indeed, the India question continues to be seen in the context of Indian encirclement†of Pakistan.

    The report offers a window on Pakistan’s narrative of the situation in Afghanistan, which differs greatly from India’s or the U.S.’s.

    In Pakistan’s telling, the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and ousting of the Taliban has caused a civil war in Pakistan. In this narrative, the U.S. pushed ethnic-Pashtun Afghan Taliban fighters over the border into Pakistan, sparking local rebellions among other Pashtun militant groups, including the Pakistan Taliban. In this view, the U.S. presence in Afghanistan has left them with a unwanted war on home soil.

    Most participants, the report said, favored a negotiated end to the war and a government in Afghanistan after the U.S. withdrawal that includes Pashtun political groups that live on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. They urged the U.S. to push more clearly for peace talks with Taliban leaders including Mullah Mohammad Omar and the Haqqani network and to include Pakistan in this process.

    “Based on their perceptions about the current realities on the ground in Afghanistan, those tied to this narrative see any attempts to alienate Pashtuns in general, and the Taliban in particular, as shortsighted,†the report said.

    Indians tend to find this narrative as selective. Why, for instance, does Pakistan’s foreign policy community downplay their country’s role in funding and training Islamist forces in Afghanistan, most notably the Taliban in the 1990s?

    The participants did recognize that Pakistan has interfered too much in Afghanistan over the past 20 years and, as a consequence, this has led to increased militancy in their own society. The report said that the policy experts also realize this policy has led to Afghanis viewing Pakistanis with distrust, while Indians have a more positive image.

    One way Pakistan can improve this is to take a leaf out of India’s book and push trade and development with Afghanistan, the report said. Bilateral trade already has jumped to $1.24 billion in 2007-08 from $170 million in 2000-01 and is approximately $1.75 billion at present, the report said.

    Many also realized that a Taliban government would not be acceptable to most Afghanis or the international community.

    But they tended to criticize the U.S.’s military surge against the Taliban, begun in 2010, as likely to be unsuccessful, leading to increased instability which will blowback on Pakistan. Only talks will lead to a stable end-game.

    For now, they said, the U.S. shows little inclination to include Islamabad in such talks, limiting its strategy to pushing Pakistan’s military to clear Taliban safe havens on its territory.

    The participants were split on why the army does not push more aggressively to close off access to these havens. Some believe the military wants to keep its links with Taliban groups to ensure it has a role in reconciliation talks.

    But a sizeable group of others said the military no longer has very close ties with the Afghan Taliban but lacks the capacity to take on these groups due to military operations it is conducting elsewhere against local militant groups.

    News Flash! India Still Pakistan
     
  2. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    I am in favor of India's Increased role in Afghanistan
     
  3. GUNS-N- ROSES

    GUNS-N- ROSES Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    icreased economic/ political/humanitarian role yes
    military role strict no no.
     
  4. Dilemma

    Dilemma Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Pakistan cannot help Afghanistan in its development in anyway but can't digest India helping them.
     
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  5. DaRk KnIght

    DaRk KnIght Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Why not?? We must take full advantage of current anti-pakistan regime in Afghanistan and we must establish covert RAW and IB bases there.
     
  6. Pakistani Nationalist

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    Forget any major role in Afghanistan.


    All roads to kabul lead from Islamabad.
     
  7. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    He must be talking about the taliban regime :haha:
     
  8. GUNS-N- ROSES

    GUNS-N- ROSES Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    but arent we already playng a major role in afghanistan, if not why is ur govt too critical of india's role on afghanistan.

    personally, for long pakistan has treated afghanistan as its own backyard. its time it treats afghanistan as an independent equal country and our country will help afghanistan in achieving that.
     
  9. GUNS-N- ROSES

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    ok a few facts here for you. IB doesnt get a role outside of India. it purely works inside indian geographical bounderies. RAW already has established covert bases in afghnistan.

    IB and RAW do not constitute military. wen i meant military role, i was specifically talking abt troop deployment. however i am all in favour of cooperation in field of training.
     
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    [​IMG]

    I can clearly see some other and better roads as well :haha:
     
  11. Nirmzz

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    I could not have put it better myself. We need to and must take advantage of the situation. It’s a win win situation for both India and Afghanistan. Pakistan is liaising with china to encircle India, via the western border and in POK. They have countless infrastructures projects being built with the help of the Chinese, not to mention that they are stationing the PLA there. The Chinese are helping train the Pakistan army and building nuclear reactors to produce weapons grade plutonium. We should adopt this situation to our benefit to counter attack in the event of war break out from a strategic place. Keeping a check on Pakistan via Afghanistan is good way to help develop the war torn afghan region, boost trade and form a credible security force to defend them from any Pakistani hostilities via cross border terrorism. RAW should be stationed to observe the movements of the terrorist's that pose a threat to India from Afghanistan and our military presence should be there to make Pakistan think twice before engaging India in threats. I am all up for it and the Afghanistan people are wonderful and sane minded other than their Pakistani counterparts.

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C01%5C26%5Cstory_26-1-2011_pg3_2
     
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  12. Sanibhagwan

    Sanibhagwan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Nobody Could have said it any better.
     
  13. Dilemma

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    Building the Afghan parliament building, constructing many roads and dams, setting up hospitals and schools and giving millions of dollars of aid is indeed a very minor role compared to that of Pakistan which includes propagating unrest, supplying fighters and suicide bombers to attack coalition troops and innocent Afghans and last but not the least, still considering Afghanistan as your very own backyard.
     
  14. Nirmzz

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    you also missed out of bombing the NATO supply tankers and convoys and blaming it on the Taliban or raw.
     
  15. DrSomnath999

    DrSomnath999 Major RESEARCHER

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    So what man ,we would find any other route .we dont play major role anywhere in world we actually play a minor role in other countries the best eg was in East pakistan & u know what happened after that .We would also be playing minor role in afghanistan.:rolleyes:
     
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