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India successfully test-fire nuclear capable Agni-5

Discussion in 'Indian Military Doctrine' started by Tejasmk3, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. Robinhood Pandey

    Robinhood Pandey SECOND IN COMMAND IDF NewBie

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    no we dont . . .plz dont spread misinformation :angry:
     
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    Grevion Professional Think Troll IDF NewBie

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    Welcome back captain!
    You know your absence from the forum and the scheduled launch of Agni and Nirbhay missiles is quite suspicious.
    Were you by any chance enjoying your Christmas holidays somewhere near the wheeler islands??:azn:
     
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    LOL ... your info is absolutely wrong.

    I spread only master information. No mis-information. MIRV integrated on so called Agni 6 .... rail mobile version.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    MIRV technology for ballistic missiles is in development. Won't be operational before 2020.
     
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    I was a bit south of it!:biggthumpup: and yes .. on a vacation:cheers:

    Something from the past


    Advanced Agni-6 missile with multiple warheads likely by 2017

    Ajai Shukla | New Delhi May 8, 2013 Last Updated at 00:25 IST


    Ending worldwide speculation about the futuristic Agni-6 missile, the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) has briefed Business Standard about the direction of India's ballistic missile development programme after the Agni-5 enters service, probably in 2015.

    DRDO chief Dr VK Saraswat, and missile programme chief Dr Avinash Chander, say the Agni-6 project has not been formally sanctioned. However, the missile's specifications and capabilities have been decided and development is proceeding apace. Once the ongoing Agni-5 programme concludes flight-testing, the defence ministry (MoD) will formally okay the Agni-6 programme and allocate funding.

    Chander says the Agni-6 will carry a massive three-tonne warhead, thrice the weight of the one-tonne warhead that Agni missiles have carried so far. This will allow each Agni-6 missile to launch several nuclear warheads -Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Warheads (MIRVs) - with each warhead striking a different target. Each warhead - called Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle (MARV) - performs evasive maneuvers while hurtling down towards its target, confusing enemy air defence missiles that are trying to destroy them mid-air.

    The DRDO is at an advanced stage of developing these warhead technologies. But the difficult challenge is building a booster rocket that can propel a three-tonne payload to targets 5000 kilometres away. This weighs almost as much as the satellite payload carried by the Indian Space Research Organisation's much larger and heavier Global Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV).

    "Our ballistic missiles must be compact and road mobile, even the Agni-6 with its heavy payload. We will do this by building the first stage with composites, fitting the Agni-6 with India's first composite 40-tonne rocket motor. This is a technical challenge but we have good capability in lightweight composites," says Chander.

    The road mobile Agni-6 would also have stringent limits on its length. "It must be carried on a standard size trailer that can move from one part of the country to another, turn on our roads, cross our bridges and climb our heights. As the payload weight increases, we will require more advanced technologies to keep the missile's length constant," explains Chander.

    Coaxing higher performance from smaller rockets becomes especially important in submarine launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), which can be no longer than 13 metres so that they can fit into the cramped confines of a submarine. Even long-range SLBMs that can fly 14,000 kilometres, like the Chinese JL-2, are built no longer than 13 metres. The DRDO faces this challenge as it develops the K-4 SLBM for the country's Arihant-class nuclear-propelled ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs).

    Eventually the Agni-6 will be no taller than the Agni-5, i.e. about 17 metres, says Chander. It will, however, be heavier and thicker - slightly over two metres - which will cater for the different shape of the MIRV payload.

    "The timeframe for developing a new missile system is about five years and the DRDO has mostly achieved this in the Agni programme," says Chander. Calculating five years from April 2012, when the Agni-5 had its debut launch, the first test of the Agni-6 could happen in 2017.

    The DRDO says the Agni-6 will have a longer range than the 5,000-kilometre Agni-5, but is not mentioning figures. "The MARVs and MIRVs will give us extended range. I will not be able to tell you how much because that is secret," Saraswat told Business Standard.

    Ballistic calculations, however, suggest that at least some of the MIRV warheads on the Agni-6 would reach at least 6,000 kilometres. In a missile that travels 5,000 kilometres, the last MIRV warhead released flies an extra 1,000 kilometres.

    Currently, the DRDO is readying for the second test next month of the Agni-5 Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile. This will be fired in the same configuration as its debut test a year ago, in order to establish the missile's reliability. A third test by end-2013 will see the missile fired from a canister.

    "We will conduct at least five-six more Agni-5 tests before the missile enters operational service. After the repeat test this month or the next, we will conduct two test firings from a canister. Then the military units that will operate the Agni-5 will conduct two-three test firings as part of the induction process. Even after induction, the users conduct test firings as part of the Strategic Forces Command training plan," says Avinash Chander.

    The Agni-5 is a three-stage, solid-fuel missile but its first stage consists of a metallic rocket motor, while the second and third stages have composite motors.


    http://www.business-standard.com/ar...e-warheads-likely-by-2017-113050800034_1.html

    http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1201367/the-second-coming-of-mirvs/


    The news is 'leaked' or a project 'informed' of once it has been operationalised, known as selective leaks.
     
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  6. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    IMHO...

    I have always belived that A5 is not what it seems.... Party because of its weight. . A5 Weighs around 50 Tonnes... And carries 1000~1500 KG to "5500" KM.... While the Agni 4 Can Carry 1000 KG to "4000" KM... But only weighs 17 T... Yeah... Almost a Third of the A5.....


    Both of them are solid fueled and perhaps have the same class of Navigational Equipment.. And Composite Construction.....

    A5 definitely has higher Payload and Range and is definitely understated by our MoD....

    From the looks of it.... The Government's Priority is now to establish a Complete Full Sepctrum Strategic Detterence Against the PRC....

    Now that is likely to Include....

    ==> An MIRV SLBM with 6K KM Range... And some 3T payload.....

    ==> An SSBN that can carry the above missile.... And in enough numbers such that there is always a certain number of them on patrol

    ==> When these SLBM' s are developed they are likely to make a Land Based TEL mobile Spin-Off Version with similar Payload and Range...

    ==> Aerial Nuke Delivery Platform....Capable of Defeating Enemy Air Defence (I don't know how they will do it....)

    ==> And Of course State of the Art Communications and Monitoring facilities such that even if Every Inch India is destroyed in a First Strike... The Submarines on Patrol should be able to flatten the Enemy and Take almost all of its population out....


    Now the priority here is not Range.... But the ability of Our Missiles to Defeat Chinese Anti Ballistic Missile Shield... (Yeah...They have one... Perhaps they will operationalise it soon)


    So our RV(s) will likely be....


    ==> Multiple in Number...
    ==> Independently Targetable...
    (ie MIRV)
    ==> Equpped with Decoys and CCM
    ==> Manuverable to a certain extent
    ==> Low Signature



    And Our warheads will Have to be effective.... To Establish this.... The Government might also think of demonstrating New Generation warheads which are lighter and have a larger yield...

    We have yet to effectively demonstrate our Thermonuclear and Multi Stage Weapons capabilities...

    Nuke Testing is a very Sensitive subject and carries heavy diplomatic and political weight....So it will be Interesting....


    I expect all this to be in place by 2030 - 2035....Because none of it is in place now...


    Members should expect a qualitative improvement in our future Missiles and warheads not a Range improvement....

     
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  7. Ripcord322

    Ripcord322 Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    It is very very essential and Critical for our defences that we develop new generation warheads....

    For members not in the know
    I will try to explain it in my post here...

    ==> There are many types of nuclear warheads.....Implosion Type...Gun Type... Equipped with different type of detonation mechanism...

    But the Objectives that designers Generally try to achieve are...

    1==> Making the Bomb Light....and small enough that it can be put on a missile or a plane or a container...

    2==> Increasing the yield without increasing weight and size

    3==> Making sure the Bomb is easy to Handle, Transport, Manufacture, Maintain, Dispose and most importantly, safe enough that it won't go off when its not supposed to...

    4==> Minimise Radiation Output... (Unless that is the explicit goal)

    5==> Is as Inexpensive as Possible


    India Primarily Uses Super Computer Simulations to validate it's Design because the political and diplomatic consequences of real testing....

    Many small yield tests (for detonation mechanism and so on) are carried out in real life... Because they are so small no one notices them...

    Hypothetically....

    Let's say we have a 1T 250kt. Warhead... An Agni 4 will be able to throw it to about 4000 KM Max....

    Now Imagine if the same bomb weighed 250 KG....


    1==> Then we could have thrown the bomb SIGNIFICANTLY further...

    2==> Or we could have loaded 4 Bombs Totaling 1T and thrown it to a similar distance... ie.. 4 times the yield... 1MT.



    Such is the importance of advance warheads....

    The Objective of this post was to signify the importance of Warhead Design along with Missile Design... The Missile is only a part of the equation...

    We will keep on developing lighter are mode deadlier warheads as time goes on...

    Senior Members please correct me if I made any mistakes...

    (In the earlier days... Accuracy was a big issue... But it's not anymore.... The issues these days are countering ABM's)
     
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