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India To Fast Track Four Projects In Indus River Basin

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by ranjeet, Oct 23, 2016.

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  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    IMHO, we must revisit this treaty. While I agree that Pakistan has some rights being a lower riparian state but this treaty is very heavily loaded in favour of Pakistan thanks to Nehru who considered this nation as his own Jagir. He did this stupidity by giving away 80% water to Pakistan. India must revisit this treaty to make it compliant with what is the usual practice the world over. In any case this treaty is not a binding treaty and either side can pull out of it anyday.
     
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    Exactly, it's good to have a vague moral upper hand in general, and we have more than enough morality points left over from the 20th Century. In the end, Might is Right. Nobody dares to stop China, and China does plenty of unacceptable, unjustifiable things. By comparison, we are not planning to do anything unjustifiable, nor are we bullying an entire continent worth of neighbors. We are merely exercising our right to proportionate utilization of waters, and exercising our right to defend our civilian population by whatever means necessary.
     
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    It shouldn't even be 50-50, the arrangement should be 70-30 or 60-40 at most.
     
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  4. Joe Shearer

    Joe Shearer VETERAN MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I do not find that a good reason for our abandoning it. In today's day and age or any other.
     
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    It was not our decision, it was not Pakistan's decision, it was arbitrated by a neutral party. It is a successful treaty and we have never used even our permitted part of it. Why on earth should we seek to change the terms when we can't use/haven't used what we were given to use?
     
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    Not if we were in a perfect society, but sometimes barbarians only understand the language of barbarians...
     
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    If it is not morality, it is realpolitik. Do you agree? In that case, in terms of realpolitik, we are not in a position to stand up to China, who can first start putting pressure on our eastern sector through water restrictions. As it is, we have had a series of costly compromises in the east; the latest is that an Indian state is now empowered to use its own flag (like Kashmir; the second instance) and even issue its own passport! Now on top of this, with the Assamese insurgents still running around, with the Bodos discontented, with factions of the Nagas wanting more, with dozens of other pressure groups, do we really want to aggravate the situation? Coming to the western sector, the Indus itself originates in Chinese territory. How long will it take for pressure to be brought to bear even as we play with our intermediate stretch of the river?

    This is madness. We will land up defeated and forced to ask for terms.
     
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    We might find northern barbarians talking to us in a language that will make very unpleasant listening.
     
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    Who are these "northern barbarians" ? i only of know the barbarians in the east
     
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    Successful? That's a really strange term for that treaty coming from an Indian. It was "successful" in the sense that it exists, and that is simply through India's large heartedness/timidness or a mixture of both.

    Nonetheless, every treaty has an expiry date. And you do realize, that this is not all about using the water, a big part of this whole thing is using water as leverage, regardless of whether we can use all the water or not.
     
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    Everything China can do to us now, we have the capability to answer, and finally a Government with the balls to not take it lying down. If you are worried about China cutting off water, they wouldn't, it simply wouldn't be a feasible project for them due to the associated difficulties.
     
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    If we are to discuss this matter dispassionately, please DO NOT open your argument by prescribing what is or is not proper for an Indian.

    For your information, treaties do not have expiry dates unless written down and so decided mutually. In this case, there is none.
     
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    The threat of Chinese water restrictions is frankly overblown, not to mention, we would clearly in such a theoretical situation have plenty of surplus water. It's also a separate issue that by trying to restrict our water, China would also impact Bangladesh, which I doubt they want to do.

    As for the various insurgent groups in the North East, we cannot let them continue behaving as anchors which weigh down our willingness to stand up to China, regardless of what happens with China we must absolutely go after these groups and use whatever means necessary to either finish them, or co-opt them into our democracy. And this Gvt has shown some initiative in that direction. But end these long simmering issues so that they don't factor into calculations of whether we should take on China or not. Also, if China really does fire up those insurgencies again, China also has a VERY volatile region called Xinjiang, then time to go tit for tat.

    For China to cut off the Brahmaputra would be far too difficult, costly and impractical. This was a point brought up and shot down by experts in the wake of discussions on the IWT, when people warned that scrapping it could lead to China cutting off the Brahmaputra. It's not something to worry about.
     
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    Please put down facts. What associated difficulties? They have already started doing it; sections of the Tsangpo had already been penned in, without serious effects on the eventual downstream volumes.

    And if you think upper riparian states are not in a position to cause damage, ask the Tamilians.
     
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    You misread what I said, it's not a question of emotion, it's a question of logic. Being made to share the waters 50-50 is not a "success" for India, and it's silly for any of us to call it one.

    And again you misread what I said, treaties don't have written, literal expiry dates, but no treaty is eternal. There is no shame in unilaterally backing out of an unfair treaty with a terrorist nation which routinely reneges on its own agreements.
     
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