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India to give up Chumar post for Chinese withdrawal?

Discussion in 'International Relations' started by Marqueur, May 7, 2013.

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  1. Marqueur

    Marqueur Peaceful Silence ELITE MEMBER

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    NEW DELHI: Although the government maintained on Monday that no concessions were offered to the Chinese to end the face off in east Ladakh, India forces appear to have agreed to the removal of bunkers built by the army in Chumar close to the line of actual control (LAC) to facilitate an agreement.

    Sources in the security establishment familiar with the negotiations and the local topography told TOI that the 21-day confrontation on Ladakh's desolate Depsang plains ended only after the Indian Army agreed to demolish bunkers it had built in the region of Chumar near the LAC.

    The bunkers in question are close to what India considers its current border and are part of the proactive measures objected to by the Chinese. It's said that only after New Delhi agreed to concede the Chinese demand to pull down these "permanent" structures, that allow Indian troops to keep an eye on the Karakoram highway, did the PLA agree to pull back and restore pre-April 15 status.

    It has been claimed that India has also adopted "intrusive" tactics to counter aggressive Chinese patrolling and temporarily rolling back some measures is not a large sacrifice. It was also claimed that these bunkers were made only as "retaliation" to the Chinese intrusion. The vacation of the strategically located bunkers or "observation posts" -- that keep an eye on troop movements on the Chinese side - could end India's drill of daily border patrols to the "disputed" area, highly-placed sources said.

    Indian troops were patrolling the motorable stretch from the regular Chumar post to the bunkers and manning them through the day. The Chinese troops, which surprised India by setting up a tented post some 19 kms into what India perceives as its side of the LAC, first flagged concerns over the bunkers in Chumar at the second flag meeting on April 21. Since then, this strategic observation post had emerged as a bone of contention.

    China, already miffed with India's re-activation of advanced landing grounds at Daulat Beg Oldie, Fukche and Nyoma and construction of other infrastructure along the LAC over the last four-five years, was uncomfortable with Indians being able to peep at the movement on the highway. The Chinese, in fact, had frequently tried to "immobilize'' the surveillance cameras positioned at the Chumar post by cutting wires.

    According to sources in the security establishment, at the April 21 flag meeting, the Chinese demanded the observation post at Chumar - which India insisted was only a resting place for patrolling troops as icy winds are a regular phenomenon - be immediately dismantled.

    Even at the time, the Army did not completely rule this out as a measure that could lead to the Chinese troops withdrawing from Raki Nala. But the Chinese refusal to make a firm commitment about pulling their tents in return for demolition of the bunkers was not acceptable to the Indian side.

    At the third flag meeting too, the same issue was raised, and the Chinese continued to be evasive. They said only after Indian troops had dismantled the border fortifications in Chumar and pulled back their own troops from the faceoff point at Raki Nala, would it "mull the next step".

    As the standoff entered its twentieth day on Saturday, the Chinese reiterated the demand for demolition of the Indian Army bunkers at a meeting between the local commanders. It was only after this was approved by the highest level on Sunday morning, with the Chinese agreeing to a reciprocal pull back, the Army sealed the "deal" - something which South Block mandarins stoutly denied.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...r-Chinese-withdrawal/articleshow/19921512.cms
     
  2. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    Might be more than this I think, but even this is a surrender :angry:. F**king Congress!!
     
  3. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Brigadier STAR MEMBER

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    what the Phak is going on !!!!!!
     
  4. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    I felt so much ashamed in being a Indian first time in my life:frust:
     
  5. Gessler

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    The grand total result of voting a bunch of corrupt idiots into power for 2 consecutive terms.

    Never again.

    How many of you guys and gals agree that after Congress is defeated in 2014, all Cong leaders should be
    silently killed and all their properties, cash snatched away? Huh?
     
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  6. INDIAN NATIONALIST

    INDIAN NATIONALIST Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    I sincerely hope it is all Indians, not just the urbanized/rural, educated/uneducated, poor/rich young/old but all denominations that share a common vision in this respect.

    Worst is to have politicians then bold-faced lie in denying to Indian citizens they gave in to concessions.
     
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  7. Rock n Rolla

    Rock n Rolla Lt. Colonel STAR MEMBER

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    All thanks to those so called "seculars" who votes for Congress over and over again to prevent "communal" BJP from coming to power. :angry:
     
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  8. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. STAR MEMBER

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    don't kill them just export them to china please... this will end the chinise threat in a day
     
  9. yahya

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    communal or secular both are not good for india , we are not united and they know that just use divide and rule a bit fire and we are ready to kill each other
     
  10. Foxtrot

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    Hope those who always votes for congress no matter what, listens to u and votes the other way this time.
     
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    Cancel all the trips this month. Freeze Chinese assets and force the enemy to re-negotiate these idiotic treaties that shoot us in the foot.
     
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    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    In China, if you put National Interests at risk because of your own incompetence, you are taken to a corner and
    shot out in cold blood.

    The CPC is just as corrupt as UPA in India, BUT they do not put national interests at stake. Because even if they maybe corrupt they still remain true NATIONALISTS. It's only in India that the government has no regard for the nation or the nation's interests. Sad thing is, there still are a lot of PEOPLE in this country who have no regard for the nation either, hence vote such lunatics into power.
     
  13. Skull and Bones

    Skull and Bones Doctor Death Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I'm so much disgusted right now, we just surrendered our sovereignty over this pity issue.
     
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    Gessler BANNED BANNED

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    Congrats on reaching 500 posts!:tup:

    The majority of voters in most part of India are still of the kind who take a bottle of liqour and a packet of
    biryani some cash and vote the undeserving into power. These people don't even clearly understand the
    ways and means of the parties in question. How will these guys work out for us? What schemes are they
    giving? How will they implement them? Did they implement any when they were in power? These people
    don't think about all that, infact they don't even know what all that is about.

    What we should have is some modification of the Right to Vote. Should people get to vote only because they
    were born here and are above 18 yrs of age? I don't think so. Every voter should be given some sort of an
    interview before giving him the right to vote. Just like how you take an interview before joining a job to see
    if you are good enough for it?

    Is it not important to check a voter's ethics and mentality before allowing him to vote? What if he is corrupt?
    What if he takes money and votes a terrorist into power? Why doesn't anyone check this?
     
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    I kind of wish Modi would hang the waitress. She's a hard criminal.
     
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