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INDIA TO RECEIVE ARMED HERON DRONES FROM ISRAEL

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by defc0n, Jul 5, 2017.

  1. defc0n

    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Two years after buying its first armed Heron unmanned aerial vehicles from Israel, India might be receiving them ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit this summer.

    According to India’s Economic Times, 10 Heron TP-armed drones bought in September 2015 at a cost of $400 million are ready to be delivered to New Delhi once a final payment is completed.

    The Heron TPs are Israel Aerospace Industries’s most advanced UAVs with a 40-hour endurance, maximum takeoff weight of 5,300 kg. and a payload of 1,000 kg., according to the Times. They can be used for both reconnaissance as well as combat and support roles, and can carry air-to-ground missiles to take out hostile targets.

    At the AeroIndia show in Bangalore in February, IAI introduced their Long-Range Long-Endurance Heron TP-XP.

    Heron TP-XP constitutes a multi-mission, multi-payload strategic aircraft, the company said, and it is a special export version of the Heron TP, which has been used by the Israel Air Force since 2010.

    While IAI’s export Heron TP variant is almost identical to the company’s domestic version, the export variant carries a 450-kg. payload in order to allow members of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) to procure the UAV.

    While Israel is not a member of MTCR, which aims to restrict the proliferation of missile technology, India joined in June of last year.

    Israel has agreed to only export strategic weapons systems to member countries.

    The Indian Air Force already operates close to 180 Israeli- made UAVs, including 108 IAI-made Searchers and 68 unarmed Heron 1s for surveillance and intelligence gathering, as well as a fleet of IAI-produced Harpy UAVs, which carry a high-explosive warhead and self-destructs to take out targets such as radar stations.

    “India is one of IAI’s leading markets,” IAI president and CEO Joseph Weiss said in January.

    “This important market is characterized by long-term collaboration, joint development and production, technology transfer and technical support over many years.”

    According to foreign media reports, Israel is considered a leading exporter of UAVs, with IAI and Elbit selling them to Chile, Colombia, France, Germany, India, Mexico and Singapore, among others.

    As part of their role in the UN peacekeeping mission in Mali, Germany signed a $100 million deal with Airbus Defense and Space to lease three Heron in July. The German air force has been operating the Heron in Afghanistan since 2010, where they were involved in thousands of missions, accumulating over 27,000 flight hours.

    And while the Israeli-made UAVs in Mali will be used solely for surveillance and intelligence gathering, in early March, Singapore’s Defense Ministry marked the full operational capability for its military’s first Heron 1 unmanned aerial vehicle, which Singapore Defense Minister Dr. Ng Eng Hen said “could be deployed against terrorist threats.”

    http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/India-to-receive-armed-Heron-drones-from-Israel-486016


    This combined with the guardian Drones should make a good overall surveillance + kill mechanism.
     
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  2. Lion of Rajputana

    Lion of Rajputana Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I really hope Pakistan gives us an excuse to use these. Armed drones and fighter jets with standoff distance weapons (i.e. miniaturized Brahmos) could be game changers in terms of providing India with options to deal with terrorist targets in Pakistan. There would be no question of risking Indian aircraft or pilots, and the potential for escalation is slightly lower with a one-off drone strike compared to airstrikes by jets, which could be engaged by enemy fighters, resulting in direct confrontation.
     
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Its wrong.
    The delivery won't wait for final payment.

    Generally , for a deal we pay 1/3rd amount in advance. Around 1/2 during the delivery and remaining amount after all the order is executed.
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Drones can carry only light payloads, the 450Kg are just enough for some smaller CAS weapons.

    But here is the problem. We can't use them within Pakistani airspace, since they are detectable, slow and easy to shoot down. The attack range from within out airspace is limited by the weapon and any attack on Pakistani soil, even if intended on terrorist's, will be seen as an attack on their country. And the Pakistani military complex are just waiting for an excuse to point fingers at India as the aggressor!

    So don't expect us to use them like the US uses drones in Pakistan.
     
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  5. bharathp

    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    It will probably be used to test air defences. not necessarily going as deep into the Pakistani territory as USA does. But making small, but strategic incursions into their air space. Also, probably the future of surgical strikes into adjacent territory.
     
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  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    An artillery strike can be justified as border skirmish, especially since it's not that easy to intercept it. But violating their air space and attacking ground targets, is more than enough reason for a war, even for sane countries.
     
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    bharathp Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

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    only if you can prove it unequivocally. Pakistan claimed Iranian drones went inside Pakistan 45 kms. what war did that start?
    Also, I dont think thats the only time Iran went inside Pakistan.
     
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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They shot it down for airspace violation, but when you attack their soil, it's a declaration of war.
     
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  9. Hellfire

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    The date is 04 April.

    I had specifically asked about arrival of Heron TP in India in the month .... as per rumours I heard. So any confirmation?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Not yet, was waiting for one as well to mention you, but so far only media speculations.
     
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  11. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I have no idea.

    Only that some one told me that he guesses the first ones to not come more than a year late [he said it few days after the Surgical Strikes..... so.....]
     
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    Zer0reZ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I don't think GoI would disclose its exact arrival time to media.
     
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  13. Vyom

    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    So what is the point of buying armed drones? We are not buying those to bomb our own territory. It wont take over Fighter roles, It can't act as a CAS platform.
     
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  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Any weapon or military tech is meant for war times mainly of course. The use in peace times are different though and meant to take over surveillance missions.
    I wonder if they are allowed by law, to be used in fire support roles within India in anti terror campaigns? @Hellfire can you say something about that?
     
  15. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We have taken a policy decision not to use air power within India for combat role. Hence, I do not expect usage within India or targets in India.
     
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