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Indian Army Artillery

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by MilSpec, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Not 1 Dhanush more than 414 will be bought. Even the 300 155/52 will get DAC's nod after it has completed the first set of field trials .

    As usual useless and sensational news from a $hitty source.

    The requirement of 155/52 artillery is over 3000 new pieces. Excluding M777, tracked and truck mounted.

    And ATAGS, Dhanush and Trajan/Israeli 155/52 will together full fill it.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    True. Aim is standardisation across all Artillery Guns to stabilised 155 mm with mix of 45 and 52 cal.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I want a 155mm Indian MGS :argh:. Ready to wait 5 more years.
     
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  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    @Hellfire

    What is the average shelf life of a 203mm artillery round ?

    Because according to release made by Pakistan on defence manufacturing , the POF section has stopped mentioning manufacture of 203mm rounds after 2013.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    No idea. We have ammunition as old as 25 years moving along. @MilSpec will be better poised to answer this question.
     
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    Vyom Captain GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    They have about 85 of these M115/M110 howitzers in service. on last count in 2010, having a range of 17 kms at max. Since shell production stopped in 2013, i doubt they have much life left...
     
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  7. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The shell itself can live for decades. the charge usually has a 15 year shelf life, but if stored properly can have extended life. For a 203mm projectile for the M115, you would usually need Base charge + about 3-6 incremental charges. the outcome of a 203mm would be quite devastating, the system is quite cumbersome and would be replaced soon by those turskish 155mm in the PA. These days 155 mm are quite capable and can derrive the same results as the 8inch guns.

    Also these 8inch guns are known to be quite inaccurate.


     
  8. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I wouldn't bet on it.

    Their armed services is excellent at maintaining their equipment, and I have to admit they are far ahead of us in this department. Their stricter maintenance is born out of necessity due to lack of funds. Our services in some areas are a bit spoiled, especially in armor, logistics, and engineer corp whereas in other areas, we have maintained even binos and compass of WWII era in pristine condition.
     
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  9. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    What more, they even scavenged ejection seats of retiring Q5 Fantans, and used it in relatively newer F7P.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I can tell you that once you move the stones, you will find a Congressi snake under it. The rounds burst like this not because of design fault but because of fault of round. Every gun barrel has a threading to give a particular circular velocity to the round when it is fired. The final circular velocity acquired by the round during its travel within the barrel is dependent on the threading done inside the barrel and how the round fits within that barrel. Once the round leaves the barrel, it gets tossed around by the aerodynamic forces, gravity forces, coriolis forces, rotation inertia acting at the muzzle tip, its own rotation and any thing done to give it a smooth fly out like muzzle break. All these happen at the tip of barrel. Any substandard round which does not perfectly fit in the barrel will create problems. The failure in my opinion is not that of gun but that of ammo. Even a small 1/10mm difference in the diameter of the round can create a huge problem for the gun. AND OFBs are known to produce rounds which actually burst within the barrel itself.
     
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    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Why is it that every source is saying that Dhanush failed the test? If the ammo is faulty like you said its not the fault of the gun. However, I believe it is a conjecture or do you have anything to support your claim?
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Seriously, what is the need for this information to be released publically? 99.99999% of Indians aren't even going to care about, let alone understand, such technical details- the ONLY people this serves are India's foes.

    This sort of information should be distributed amongst the politicans and media only but specifc details redacted when published for the general public.

    China and Pakistand don't even have to bother conducting their own ORBAT analysis, CAG will do the work on their behalf.
     
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