Dismiss Notice
Welcome to IDF- Indian Defence Forum , register for free to join this friendly community of defence enthusiastic from around the world. Make your opinion heard and appreciated.

Indian Army Artillery

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by MilSpec, Dec 22, 2016.

  1. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Country Flag:
    India
    The shell itself can live for decades. the charge usually has a 15 year shelf life, but if stored properly can have extended life. For a 203mm projectile for the M115, you would usually need Base charge + about 3-6 incremental charges. the outcome of a 203mm would be quite devastating, the system is quite cumbersome and would be replaced soon by those turskish 155mm in the PA. These days 155 mm are quite capable and can derrive the same results as the 8inch guns.

    Also these 8inch guns are known to be quite inaccurate.


     
  2. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Country Flag:
    India
    I wouldn't bet on it.

    Their armed services is excellent at maintaining their equipment, and I have to admit they are far ahead of us in this department. Their stricter maintenance is born out of necessity due to lack of funds. Our services in some areas are a bit spoiled, especially in armor, logistics, and engineer corp whereas in other areas, we have maintained even binos and compass of WWII era in pristine condition.
     
    Ankit Kumar 001 likes this.
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    2,598
    Likes Received:
    4,871
    Country Flag:
    India
    What more, they even scavenged ejection seats of retiring Q5 Fantans, and used it in relatively newer F7P.
     
  4. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    13,820
    Likes Received:
    15,599
    Country Flag:
    India
    I can tell you that once you move the stones, you will find a Congressi snake under it. The rounds burst like this not because of design fault but because of fault of round. Every gun barrel has a threading to give a particular circular velocity to the round when it is fired. The final circular velocity acquired by the round during its travel within the barrel is dependent on the threading done inside the barrel and how the round fits within that barrel. Once the round leaves the barrel, it gets tossed around by the aerodynamic forces, gravity forces, coriolis forces, rotation inertia acting at the muzzle tip, its own rotation and any thing done to give it a smooth fly out like muzzle break. All these happen at the tip of barrel. Any substandard round which does not perfectly fit in the barrel will create problems. The failure in my opinion is not that of gun but that of ammo. Even a small 1/10mm difference in the diameter of the round can create a huge problem for the gun. AND OFBs are known to produce rounds which actually burst within the barrel itself.
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2017
    NKVD and defc0n like this.
  5. defc0n

    defc0n 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2017
    Messages:
    342
    Likes Received:
    436
    Country Flag:
    India
    Why is it that every source is saying that Dhanush failed the test? If the ammo is faulty like you said its not the fault of the gun. However, I believe it is a conjecture or do you have anything to support your claim?
     
  6. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,954
    Likes Received:
    5,851
    Country Flag:
    India
  7. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Captain FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2016
    Messages:
    1,049
    Likes Received:
    1,607
    Country Flag:
    India
  8. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    2,755
    Likes Received:
    12,321
    Country Flag:
    United Kingdom
    Seriously, what is the need for this information to be released publically? 99.99999% of Indians aren't even going to care about, let alone understand, such technical details- the ONLY people this serves are India's foes.

    This sort of information should be distributed amongst the politicans and media only but specifc details redacted when published for the general public.

    China and Pakistand don't even have to bother conducting their own ORBAT analysis, CAG will do the work on their behalf.
     
  9. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Country Flag:
    India
  10. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Country Flag:
    India
    Blackjay likes this.
  11. NKVD

    NKVD Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2016
    Messages:
    431
    Likes Received:
    620
    Country Flag:
    India
    Report Talks about 152 types of ammunition

    what you seeing is only list of 48
     
    IndianHulk likes this.
  12. Blackjay

    Blackjay Developers Guild Developers -IT and R&D

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    853
    Country Flag:
    India
    Could you elaborate??
     
  13. MilSpec

    MilSpec Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    964
    Likes Received:
    1,744
    Country Flag:
    India
    Use of 155mm ERFB boat tail ammo is new info to me.
     
    Blackjay likes this.
  14. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2011
    Messages:
    13,820
    Likes Received:
    15,599
    Country Flag:
    India
    If a gun fires thousands of rounds without problem and have just one odd case involving a round hitting the muzzle break, what will you deduce from it? If gun design was at fault, such things will occur more frequently. Last time we had a round bursting in the barrel and that time too initially people blamed the gun and later realised that it was actually the round.
    I had written what all forces act on the round the moment it comes out of the barrel. If the round is not properly fitting the barrel, some gases can escape from its side and exit the barrel before the round itself. These gases have the same effect as- Bullet Jump. That is the round suddenly gets pushed away from its original path and that is how its rear part strikes the muzzle break. This phenomenon of bullet jump is very common in air to air firing or air to ground firing.
     
    An Indian, HariPrasad and defc0n like this.
  15. xiyangtubie

    xiyangtubie FULL MEMBER

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2017
    Messages:
    58
    Likes Received:
    9
    Country Flag:
    China
    Dont't the fake chinese roller bearings be the reason?
    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...e-parts-as-german-for-artillery-guns-4761830/
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...y-officials/story-13PUVJWHXXFkUxI0bcMK9O.html
     

Share This Page