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    Indian Military Officials Blast Creation of Defense Reform Committees

    NEW DELHI — Indian military officials and analysts are decrying the creation of three committees set up to assist with defense reform, saying that the panels will only delay the reform and weapons acquisition processes.

    In May, an 11-member committee led by retired Lt. Gen. DB Shekatkar was tasked to modify the Indian military's manpower ratio of combat personnel to noncombat personnel in order to release additional funds to buy fresh weapons and equipment for modernization.

    Another committee was created under Vivek Rae, former director general of defense procurement, to study the creation of a defense procurement organization with the aim to streamline the acquisition process.

    Time is indeed running out. The immediate task before MoD is to conclude contracts in respect of the procurement proposals that are already in the pipeline," Amit Cowshish, a former Ministry of Defense financial adviser, said. "That Defence Procurement Procedures (DPP) 2016 has not yet been released in its entirety does not come in the way of concluding contracts in respect of the ongoing cases. The deal for purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft is a case in point. Ultimately, everything depends on the speed at which decisions are taken."

    A subcommittee was formed to recommend how private sector companies should be shortlisted as Strategic Partners (SP). The panel itself was a follow-up to the recommendations of the Dhirendra Singh Committee, which had recommended last year that SP status be given to select private sector companies. However, MoD is yet to draw the criteria to back up the recommendation.

    The subcommittee was set up in the wake of a division within the private defense sector over which company should get SP status so that it becomes eligible to get big-ticket defense orders on a nomination basis — which is the case for state-owned defense companies.

    "The idea of ‘strategic partnership model’ is not going to be easy to execute. It is just as well that the MoD is taking time to sort out all issues before adopting the model," Cowshish said.

    The new DPP were announced in March by the government, two years after the ruling party came to power in May 2014. But the chapter SP and blacklisting of foreign companies has not yet been incorporated.

    "The ruling government is making an attempt to completely redo all the procedures that affect capital procurement. Some feel that it is a good idea, but if such a task has to be done then speed is of the essence and almost no progress in 24 months is surely a cause for concern," according to an MoD official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Since coming to power, the ruling party has cancelled several big-ticket global tenders and reserved them for the domestic sector. However
    the procurement process on these programs has been very slow.

    "A lot of time has been spent on easing defense manufacturing. It is now time for actual business and manufacturing to flow into the hands of the Indian private sector as this will be the biggest confidence booster for them," said Ankur Gupta, a defense analyst with Ernst and Young India.

    Adding to the delayed procurement process is a shortage of funds as well as 10 defense programs that are awaiting inking despite being finalized.

    There is agreement among military planners and officials that the weapons procurement process has to be fast-paced and some key projects need to be implemented without waiting for reform.

    "I think the defense minister should not hold up critical projects because of a delay in implementing reforms which are still under consideration. Projects like P-75I for acquiring six conventional submarines, for example, are already long overdue and should be expedited,” defense analyst and retired Indian Navy Commodore Anil Jai Singh said.

    Singh added that organizations like the Defence Research and Development Organization should be told to actively seek technology partners and get moving on providing contemporary technology to the armed forces in the long term.
     
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    Lol at inferiority complex when just a moment ago you called me a rabid nationalist. Since when have rabid nationalists had inferiority complex?

    You've lost the argument, now you resort to insults. Typical.

    We will see if you ever come up to that level.
     
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    I try not to insult some one unless they insult me, then katy bar the door.
     
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    There are differences in how each NATO country was treated. France wasn't part of NATO except for a few years. But US supported British ownership of Gibraltar while ignored the Portuguese ownership of Goa, even though both countries had termed their respective territories as integral part of their empires.

    Basically Gibraltar was treated as part of Britain while Goa was treated as a colony. NATO made a rule saying they won't go to war over colonies. Pretty convenient.

    However, the population in Gibraltar wanted to remain with Britain versus Spain while people from Goa demanded independence and were denied by Salazar.
     
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    DRDO MICWS / GHATAK RIFLE
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    There is an old saying Nothing beats experience, and for good or bad the USA more military combat experience then anyone, A country that involved in wars progresses several times as fast in development both in equipment and experience. An example a infantry that survives combat is much more likely then some new recruit. A pilot that survives the first ten missions is ten times less likely to die then some one in their first ten missions. Experience is the best teacher, and stands for the American solider that is a combat veteran and US equipment. One thing that americans know and understand I have been handling guns almost as long as I have been walking, when I was 8 I was hunting alone...
     
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    Does this monkey crap has to do anything about DRDO produced rifle thread?? Fighting against third world country with wolf pack yet not able to gain decisive victory lol is war experience?? that is worst experience infact lol
     
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    Now whr are we?
    reading history in a library .................... the out get will only open for the QUOTE & reservation ........... till then aap Q ma hay ....
     
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    I have not understood what you mean? Can you pls elaborate.
     
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    well history is all that is being quoted here & we r in a loop .. sitting in a closed room ... blocked & locked by the reservation .... we all can only wait in a Q .

    got it ?:agree:
     
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    Subject: DRDO Accomplishments!!!!!
    If wishes were horses/ There is a time in the life of many a business establishment — and a marriage — when the realisation dawns that things are not working. The only options are to close shop or get a divorce. Government behemoths are a tad different, but even then, we think the time has come for terminating the already estranged relationship between the country’s armed forces and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Since the armed forces cannot, and should not, do without a defence research organisation, the option of shutting shop is not there. But divorce and remarriage is a distinctly desired option. The way to go is to dismantle the organisation as it exists now, spin off its laboratories to defence public sector units, and reconstitute its core. What should result is a lean and mean defence science set-up that will provide conceptual inputs and funds to private and public labs to service the needs of the armed forces and the country. This may seem to be a harsh solution. But in my view, it is an absolutely necessary one. Two years short of its 50th anniversary, the DRDO’s record is not just shabby, it is a disgrace. The annual budget of the 25,000-strong outfit has risen from Rs 500 crore in 1988-9 to nearly Rs 5,000 crore today. Yet there is not a single major or minor product, barring an excellent sonar system and the INSAS rifle, that has found usage in the armed forces. In sum, the Indian armed forces have been forced to do with less, and suffered more, because of the inadequacies of the DRDO. The jawans in Kashmir were compelled to design their own steel plated patka, or headgear, in place of the helmet, which is awkward in insurgency firefights. The paramilitary devised their own light armoured vehicles, and the DRDO’s heavy steel bulletproof vest was no less cumbersome than medieval armour. For 20 years, the armed forces have been tackling improvised explosive devices and mines. But the DRDO has only recently, after 9/11, discovered robotic systems to do the job. A great deal of the responsibility for this rests with A.P.J. Abdul Kalam who was the head of the missile development programme from 1982 to 1992, and then the chief of the DRDO till 1999. During this period, the DRDO made it a practice to claim that it could provide services in, and make any product related to, aeronautics, armaments, electronics, combat vehicles, engineering systems, instrumentation, missiles, advanced computing and simulation, special materials, naval systems, life sciences, training and information systems. So while DRDO budgets grew exponentially, the armed forces were forced to do without products because they were either interminably delayed, or never performed anywhere near the claims made by the DRDO. The result has been that the country’s defence system has suffered from several dangerous gaps during the last decade and a half. The Agni missile that you see on parade on Republic Day is nothing but a mock-up model; but you won’t see that written on the placard. The DRDO claims the Agni as its great success. Yet the reality is that the tardy programme — whose only useful launchers are made by the Isro — is not yet a fully operational system. At least not good enough for the missile to have been tested on a land target — a vital requirement for a mature product. The Arjun tank that is being displayed for the past 15 years is not a dummy. But it has come into limited service in the army riding on the back of a political fiat. For the second time in its history, the army has a tank it cannot allow, in good conscience, to be sent into battle in a real war. Its antiquated rifled barrel main gun cannot fire missiles, and is not optimal for fin-stabilised anti-tank munitions. Worse, the Arjun’s sophisticated (German origin) pneumatic suspension system is fed nitrogen gas through pipes that are, to put it delicately, not protected by its armour, and hence even small-arms fire can bring the 58-tonne monster to a grinding halt. On Kalam’s insistence, the government would have shoved this down the army’s throat as the Main Battle Tank (MBT). But in the early Nineties, Pakistan acquired some 300 T80UD tanks and the army put its foot down. Like the T-90S — which is now our MBT — the Pakistani tank has a very effective tandem-warhead missile that can be fired through the gun tube and can knock out an adversary tank well before it can bring its tank gun to bear. The third case where DRDO delays cost the country dearly was in the case of the artillery location radar. After having promised to make a system based on the British Cymbelline, the DRDO failed.
     
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    Bottom line
    DRDO is a network of 51 weapons and technology laboratories, employing over 30,000 people (20 percent of them scientists and engineers.) DRDO has been screwing up weapons development programs for half a century. Efforts to shape up DRDO have consistently failed. It's all about politics (DRDO provides jobs for well connected people) and nationalism (India wants to produce its own high tech weapons.) DRDO has failed in most all areas (small arms, tanks, missiles and warplanes). The failures have grown over the years, and created louder calls for reforms.



    DRDO has had some successes, which it publicizes as energetically as it can. It tries to play down the failures, or simply tout them as partial successes. But compared to defense industries in other nations, DRDO is an underperformer, and highly resistant to reform.
     
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    Lol be happy with your average essay
     
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    Second joint tactical exercise held by Indian, Chinese armies in Ladakh

    New Delhi | Wednesday, Oct 19 2016 IST

    As part of the ongoing initiative, to enhance interaction and cooperation between India and China, under the provisions of Border Defence Cooperation Agreement, 2013, Indian and Chinese armies today held second joint exercise "Sino India Cooperation 2016".

    This exercise was a sequel to the first joint exercise held on February 6 this year, in the area of Border Personnel Meeting Hut at Chushul Garrison of Eastern Ladakh, along with Chinese troops of Moldo Garrison.

    During the day-long exercise on Humanitarian Aid and Disaster Relief (HADR), a fictitious situation of earthquake striking an Indian border village was painted.

    Thereafter the joint teams carried out rescue operations, evacuation and rendering of medical assistance, a statement said here today.

    The Indian team was led by Brigadier RS Raman and the Chinese by Sr Col Fan Jun.

    The exercise was a great success and had not only refined the drills to provide succor to the border population in case of natural calamity but had also increased the level of trust and cooperation between the two border guarding forces along the LAC in Eastern Ladakh.

    The joint exercise, compliments the Hand in Hand series of the India-China joint exercises and the effort of both the nations to enhance cooperation and maintain peace and tranquility along the border areas of both the countries.


    http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20161019/2973053.html
     
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    Somehow, the importance of this 'small' exercise has not been picked up by the media, who have gone on about Pakistan relentlessly at the prime time.
     
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