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  1. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think TROLL ELITE MEMBER

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    The babus and netas will do what they are good at i.e. to eradicate everything good India stands for but they can never mess with the integrity and rectitude of the armed forces of India. I can't comment on the impacts of the above decisions of the govt as i am not from the army background (that's where i learn from guys like you). This issue, the civil vs military rank parity and the OROP in the past proved it beyond any doubts that the civilian leadership of our country couldn't care any less about the matters affecting the armed forces.
     
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    Levina NONconformist Staff Member MODERATOR

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    My father whom I have never heard speak a word on the issue has for the first time reacted saying army is being let down. He seems infuriated ,but my friends who are right now serving in the army do not have any opinion as such.
     
  3. Hellfire

    Hellfire Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I shall. slowly, start posting the relevant news from open sources to highlight how, irrespective of political affiliations, there is a systematic dismantling of the last organization by all politicians left standing in India, which is there, every time, everywhere and in every field, for the nation and it's people.

    Be it the natural disaster of J&K, Uttarakhand, Assam or the yearly affairs of Andhra-Orissa-Telangana belt, or Tamil Nadu, or fire at Puttingal temple in Kerala, to managing Kashmir and North-East or Haryana Jat Agitation, YSL Canal, Ganga Clean up, it is this force which has always responded irrespective of costs incurred when the Civil Administration has simply vanished and become dysfunctional, inspite and despite the resources allocated to themselves by them, insofar, you see it today with the demonetization and IAF being called upon to deliver the cash all over.
     
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    Hellfire Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The officer cadre nowadays are told that they are being well paid, that is the refrain of the General Officers Commanding normally heard nowadays. That the men and officers are being well paid with the implications (for your qualifications). How is there a comparision? By 22, when most of our college civil students are completing their Masters or enroute to same, the young officer is dying in Kashmir. Is it his mistake?

    Leave that be, the youngsters are thankful for a job today. When that comes into an officer corps, a job security and fixed income, your leadership takes a hit. The motivation is there in everyone, what differentiates is the inspiration. How does a General inspire his officer cadre when he says he is being paid well?

    They are being paid for the day they have to take a bullet for the nation. That has no price. Sadly, there is a very clever ploy today in Armed Forces. Appoint the Chiefs as Ambassadors/Governors, the Army Commanders and equivalents as Lt Governors etc (Chiefs draw 100% of last drawn consolidated salary as pension; retire at 62 years of age; Army Commander draws 80% of last drawn pay as pension), thereby effectively muzzling them. Then you have the perks and privileges of office as applicable as a world norm. But the difference comes at lower ranks, Major and below.

    For PBOR, they have introduced MACP. Minimum Assured Career Progression. You can not down rate the men for lack of performance and not maintaining physical fitness without a lengthy process, something that can not be achieved due to high turnover rate of the Initiating Officer of the ACR (due to postings and transitory nature of duties), now you can not summarily court martial them (for refusal of legal military command); in short, you have men who are the son-in-law of the organization and you can not do anything to them if they refuse to perform. Result, you have mutinous army (hence the recent incidents of unrest in few units).

    In short, a concentrated multi pronged effort to not only underrate but undermine the structure of armed forces.

    https://www.rt.com/news/358541-indian-army-fight-obesity/

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Unfit-Army-Survey-finds-30-overweight/articleshow/9864589.cms

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/sikh-light-infantry-officers-soldiers-clash-during-boxing-match-3-hurt/20131011.htm

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/army-maulvi-claims-censured-using-jai-hind-1719249.html
     
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  5. Darth Marr

    Darth Marr Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I beg to differ and disagree, sorry but your claims feel grossly exaggerated and i would say that even if Congress was ruling...


    From OROP to the two steps taken below it seems the Govt. has good intentions but is being stifled by the bureaucracy..



     
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  6. Grevion

    Grevion Professional Think TROLL ELITE MEMBER

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    I know that mate, we all know that and that's why the military holds a very special place in the hearts of every Indian. The armed forces personnel carriers a certain reputation in the society which is unmatched, even if you are a topmost civilian bureaucrat.
     
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    Doesn't stuff like this happen in almost all the armies ? back during the Iraq war there were reports of friendly fire between US troops. Later investigations found that the Criminal gangs had infiltrated within the army and the hatred between the gangs were apparent in Iraq as US troops were opening fire between themselves as they were a part of the Rival gangs. Not everything is picture perfect, even the best out there have their problems. Doesn't necessarily mean the world is about to end. Maybe the whole thing already existed and is coming out, which is a good thing.



     
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    Hellfire Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Congress:

    In 2013, when the Food Subsidy Bill was required to be passed in the Parliament, the funding was the issue. You know what they did? they cut down the Kerosene authorization per individual deployed in High Altitude Areas of J&K and NE (basically LC and International Border) by 50%.
    The rough authorization per soldier per day over 12000 Ft ASL (in winters) is 3.2 litres of kerosene, in which he has to make drinking water by melting snow, wash himself and his clothes, attend his ablutions, cook his food, heat himself in -30'C.

    Are you aware that today they have introduced 'financial monitoring' insofar that if a Station Commander of a Military Station wants to put up sign boards warning of overspeeding, a sanction of IFA has to be taken?

    Are you aware that at Command Hospital Chandimandir, where casualties from Siachen are evacuated, they had to put up notices of no medicines due to IFA (Intermediate Finance Adviser) not clearing the bills and supply being stopped?

    You know who introduced this regulation? TAKE A WILD GUESS!

    Congress or BJP - all politicians fear the armed forces for their integrity and honesty, and that is being eroded fast today.

    You read in forums, in fact today in PDF they (Indians) have written that officers of Armed Forces want kickback hence they want foreign weapons. No Sir, that is not the case.
    There is no approval given by officers. There is approval by MoD. Are you aware the Bullet Proof Jackets and Helmets are made in Kanpur and exported to West? Yet, the bills are stuck! You think that PM does not read the newspaper to know the problem?

    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...weapons-15-months-after-green-signal-3076293/
     
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    Hellfire Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Tangential.
    That is not the point. Research the allocation of pays and pensions of defence civilian employees and their initial role to be subordinate support officers, today they have 141 HAG Vacancies as opposed to 24 for Indian Army !!!!!!

    HAG is the Apex group - they travel business class et al. And this is a force which is 350000 or thereabouts and Indian Army 1.2 Million!

    I am just telling you how a force which was created to augment Army, is slowly being empowered as a separate civil organization by undercutting army budget and authority.

    Give you an example of BSF. Till 1970s, BSF was under IA. Officers were provided by IA. In 1970s, IA felt it could not provide officers so IPS came. What is the reputation of BSF today? Honestly?

    In 1993 a BSF constable posted in Rajouri was injured in a truck accident while enroute to Srinagar on leave. He was admitted to 92 Base Hospital in Badami Bagh Cantonment. When he regained consciousness, he asked for his trunk the first thing repeatedly. Military Intelligence people there got suspicious. They checked, it had Rs 10 Lac in those days!!

    On enquiry it was found that the tanzeem commander would come and pay for infiltration of 100s of militants in those days and this was his share. Slowly army was put on LC and BSF withdrawn after this.

    The point is, that at the end of the day, again Army was called. Yet we see this today.

    In the words of Chanakya


    “The Mauryan soldier does not enrich the Royal treasuries nor fills the Royal granaries. He does not carry out trade and commerce nor produce scholars, litterateurs, artistes, artisans, sculptors, architects, craftsmen, doctors and administrators. He does not build roads and ramparts nor dig wells and reservoirs. He does not do any of this directly.

    “The soldier only and merely ensures that the tax, tribute and revenue collectors travel forth and return safely; that the farmer tills, harvests, stores and markets his produce unafraid of pillage; that the trader, merchant and financier function and travel across the length and breadth of the realm unmolested; that the savant, sculptor, maestro and mentor create works of art, literature, philosophy and astrology in quietitude; that the architect designs and builds his Vaastus without tension; that the tutor and the priest teach and preach in peace; that the rishis meditate in wordless silence; that the doctor invents cures and medicines undisturbed; that the mason and bricklayer work unhindered; that the mother and the wife go about their chores and bring up children in harmony and tranquility; that the cattle graze freely without being lifted or stolen.

    “Pataliputra reposes each night in peaceful comfort, O King, secure in the belief that the distant borders of Magadha are inviolate and the interiors are safe and secure, thanks only to the Mauryan Army standing vigil with naked swords and eyes peeled for action, day and night, in weather fair and foul, all eight praharas (round the clock), quite unmindful of personal discomfort and hardship, all through the year, year after year.

    “While the citizenry of the State contributes to see that the State prospers and flourishes, the soldier guarantees it continues to EXIST as a State! To this man, O Rajadhiraja, you owe a debt: please, therefore, see to it, on your own, that the soldier continuously gets his dues in every form and respect, be they his needs or his wants, for he is not likely to ask for them himself.”

    “The day the soldier has to demand his dues will be a sad day for Magadha for then, on that day, you will have lost all moral sanction to be King!
     
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    Darth Marr Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Do not stereotype politicians or anyone with the same paint. I simply don't like painting everybody with the broad brush.

    Everyone is aware of the corruption within the political class, and i respect the army deeply. But lets not assume everyone in the Army is absolutely honest. The politicians , the people , the police and everyone else come from the same breed of human beings, All of them are a reflection of the society. We know the story of the Arjun Tank and the T-90 Tank, IAF Chief Tyagi. Every institution in India has problems. I hate to do this but we know None of the institutions in India are that honest, Military maybe more so than the others...
     
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    Hellfire Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    What is the story of Arjun and T-90? Tyagi had no role in approval of the deal, he merely signed on a decision taken by the MoD. It is so even in HQs in Delhi. If you want an air evacuation of a patient, a simple clerk in MoD with a grade pay less than an officer, signs it after the officer runs pillars and post for it.

    Yes, all institutions are a reflection of the society, there, I agree. The Armed Forces are reflection of the society which we have now. No doubts.
     
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    CAG Audit i meant, were CAG blamed Army, as for Our Military and Air force, we are aware of the forever shifting requirements of ingenious products, I won't be surprised if Airforce suggests a Warp Drive requirement for MCA...

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    All i am saying is, Every one and every institution is infected and should be slowly cleansed. I personally feel the current dispensation is far more likely to follow through with that. FYI i have often seen you mention BJP, I do NOT support BJP, i only support Modi and other successful CM's who mostly happen to be from BJP.
     
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    Where Is India In China’s Wild Arms Race?

    The situation emerging in South and Southeast Asia with China and India as key players is akin to the Cold War arms scenario between the US and the USSR. It is for New Delhi to choose whether it wants to become a ‘strong economic power’ making it a credible military force, or a ‘lethal military power’ with a weak economy. India certainly cannot afford to be another Soviet Union, which adopted the latter strategy and got drawn into a wild arms race with an economically stronger America India is rapidly arming its Defence forces.

    The latest media reports suggest that the Modi Government has cleared Defence acquisition projects worth Rs 82,000 crore, which would include purchase of 83 Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) for the Air Force, a total of 464 T-90 Russian tanks and raise six regiments of Pinaka missiles for the Army, 15 Light Combat Helicopters (LCHs) and Japanese US-2i long-range amphibious surveillance aircraft for the Navy. These acquisitions come on the heels of purchase of 36 French Rafale fighter jets and a second Akula class nuclear submarine at a cost of $2 bn from Russia. Obviously, these assets go well beyond any threat perception emanating from Pakistan. However, an analysis of the larger geopolitical power equation emerging in South Asia and South East Asia reveals that the entire region is becoming prey to a wild arms race; where China, Pakistan and India — the three nuclear neighbours, with the former two having allegedly colluded against India.

    While Pakistan has always remained a nasty neighbour, India’s Defence preparedness is primarily aimed at protecting her economic interests and countering military threats from the Red Army. The growing Chinese military presence in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) under the excuse of securing its own Sea Lanes of Communications and thereby, trade, which is seen by Indian analysts as a String of Pearls to bind India, gives a clear picture of how China is playing its outsized ambition of becoming a “great power”. It is also China’s counter-strategy to balance America’s Pivot to the East.

    Obviously, India’s actions make Pakistan nervous. Islamabad has traditionally relied on Washington’s support to satiate her Defence needs, but Beijing has clearly overtaken America in Defence supplies to Pakistan in recent years. Every time India has acted aggressively, China has stood with Pakistan diplomatically and continued to lethally arm it. However, Beijing has always maintained a safe distance and has not come to Pakistan’s rescue militarily during any armed conflict with India. In the post-surgical strikes scenario, India’s open support to the Baloch cause is likely to send alarm bells ringing in China. After all, it is in this very region that Beijing has made multi-billion dollar investment in the China-Pakistan-Economic-Corridor (CPEC), which originates from the Gwadar port in Balochistan and ends in Xinjiang province in China.

    According to media reports, Pakistan imports about 63 per cent of its armaments from China. According to research carried out by Stockholm-based research institute Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), Pakistan consumes about 35 per cent of China’s arms supplies followed by Bangladesh at 20 per cent, making Beijing the world’s third largest arms supplier.

    In August this year, China agreed to supply Pakistan eight diesel electric submarines at a cost of $5 bn. These submarines are likely to have capabilities to fire nuclear missiles. This trend is dangerous not only from the conventional war point of view, but importantly because the three nuclear countries are adjacent to each other. Pakistan is China’s pawn to keep a check on India’s western flank and simultaneously prepare to choke New Delhi on its eastern front. India’s arms acquisition is justified for two reasons: First, its Air Force and Navy are short of technology and required number of equipment. Second, China’s gigantic military build-up both across the Himalayas and in the IOR.

    There has been a meteoric increase in China’s Defence spending. According to Defence consultancy HIS Jane’s report published earlier this year, because of heightened tensions in the South China Sea, China has accelerated its Defence preparedness. Beijing’s annual Defence budget is $146 bn and is expected to rise by 5 per cent annually crossing $233 bn by 2020. In contrast, India’s Defence budget is meagre $51 bn. However, the Modi Government has plans to spend Rs 50,000–60,000 crore in the current fiscal on new Defence deals. India has strong capabilities to thwart any misadventure from Pakistan and keep China at bay, but looking at China’s mammoth investment to match the American military power, Beijing has raised the stakes for everyone in the region, especially for India.

    The situation emerging in South and South East Asia with China and India as key players is akin to the Cold War arms scenario between the US and the USSR. It is for New Delhi to choose whether it wants to become a “strong economic power” making it a credible military force, or a “lethal military power” with a weak economy. India certainly cannot afford to be another Soviet Union, which adopted the latter strategy and got drawn into a wild arms race with an economically stronger America.
     
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    First this happens....

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    And then she gets whooped.... :cheesy:



    And then she backtracks :lol:




    @Levina @Rick @Grevion @
     
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    Grevion Professional Think TROLL ELITE MEMBER

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    Can't say anything about Barkha's intentions while twitting the pic of Gen. Saha with Sri Sri, she's definitely not one of the favorite jurnos of the top army brass.:lol:
     
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